WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.080 Hi, I'm Morgan Freeman, and you're listening to the Scene World Podcast. 00:00:21.962 --> 00:00:23.782 Hey, it's the Scene World Podcast. 00:00:23.782 --> 00:00:27.082 I'm over here and he's over there. 00:00:27.082 --> 00:00:28.102 Hello. 00:00:28.102 --> 00:00:30.722 I think I'd much rather be over there right now. 00:00:30.722 --> 00:00:34.682 But really, he would like to be in Germany rather than the US. 00:00:34.682 --> 00:00:36.722 I don't know if you've been watching the news. 00:00:39.262 --> 00:00:41.122 Not the American ones. 00:00:42.622 --> 00:00:43.702 Yeah, anyway. 00:00:43.702 --> 00:00:44.382 All right. 00:00:44.382 --> 00:00:46.742 Yeah, in a minute, we have Fearzine. 00:00:48.062 --> 00:00:49.662 So that's coming up shortly. 00:00:49.682 --> 00:00:50.222 Exactly. 00:00:50.222 --> 00:00:52.682 Dan Morris and Maria Kinnun. 00:00:52.682 --> 00:00:53.062 Yes. 00:00:53.062 --> 00:00:58.302 So number one and number two, as they refer to them themselves. 00:00:58.302 --> 00:01:07.602 We will talk about a frantic future of paper mags for horror games especially. 00:01:07.602 --> 00:01:08.542 Yes, indeed. 00:01:08.542 --> 00:01:09.522 Yeah. 00:01:09.522 --> 00:01:10.442 That's coming up shortly. 00:01:10.442 --> 00:01:12.802 Before that, we've got a few bits of news. 00:01:13.002 --> 00:01:14.562 I've got a couple of bits of news. 00:01:14.582 --> 00:01:15.562 Actually, yes. 00:01:15.802 --> 00:01:21.622 I'll start off because that ties into my current complaint. 00:01:21.622 --> 00:01:22.402 Sure. 00:01:22.402 --> 00:01:24.082 Which is that- 00:01:24.082 --> 00:01:25.982 Bless you, by the way. 00:01:25.982 --> 00:01:26.382 Huh? 00:01:26.382 --> 00:01:27.082 Bless me. 00:01:27.082 --> 00:01:28.502 Bless you, by the way. 00:01:28.502 --> 00:01:30.142 For what? 00:01:30.142 --> 00:01:31.202 For the sneezing. 00:01:31.202 --> 00:01:32.022 Oh, that wasn't sneezing. 00:01:32.722 --> 00:01:34.062 That's her making noise. 00:01:34.062 --> 00:01:34.502 I know. 00:01:34.502 --> 00:01:34.822 I know. 00:01:34.822 --> 00:01:35.922 I know. 00:01:37.482 --> 00:01:39.442 This is our new little buddy. 00:01:39.542 --> 00:01:39.882 Right. 00:01:39.882 --> 00:01:40.582 Yeah. 00:01:40.582 --> 00:01:46.602 He's also in the thumbnail of one of the other shows. 00:01:50.062 --> 00:01:50.322 Yeah. 00:01:50.562 --> 00:02:14.702 So Core I64, who is a Canadian hardware designer for the C64, he has, firstly, he has unveiled, I think in the last intro that we did, we talked about that he was working on a 1750 XL, I think, REU. 00:02:14.702 --> 00:02:38.522 He has since released the finished product, which is the options for selling this would be bare PCBs, where you'd have to put everything on yourself, partially assembled units, so you would need to, everything would be on there, but you would need to put on your own 8726 chip. 00:02:38.522 --> 00:02:43.502 That's the chip that makes the 1750 REU be an REU. 00:02:44.802 --> 00:02:52.562 A complete unit with the case and everything without the REC chip, the 8726, and just the reproduction case. 00:02:54.102 --> 00:02:55.522 So that's coming along. 00:02:55.522 --> 00:02:57.402 It's a two megabyte REU. 00:02:58.182 --> 00:03:01.382 It's based on the CMD 1750 XL. 00:03:01.382 --> 00:03:03.162 Right. 00:03:03.162 --> 00:03:03.782 So that's cool. 00:03:03.902 --> 00:03:18.822 I wish that, I wish, you would think that, so the big thing with these REUs, even to this day, is that chip that makes it a thing. 00:03:18.882 --> 00:03:21.202 Right. 00:03:21.202 --> 00:03:29.682 That big 8726 chip, that, I guess, I don't know exactly what it does. 00:03:30.722 --> 00:03:32.722 I'm not a hardware engineer. 00:03:32.722 --> 00:03:33.142 Right. 00:03:33.142 --> 00:03:39.942 But it can also be used as a co-processor, as we learned for the interview of Sam's Journey with Chester Colshan. 00:03:40.062 --> 00:03:40.322 Right. 00:03:40.322 --> 00:03:46.722 Well, it does fast transfers and stuff, like bank flipping. 00:03:46.722 --> 00:03:47.142 Switching. 00:03:47.502 --> 00:03:48.262 Yes. 00:03:48.262 --> 00:04:04.882 Now, there are products such as the Ultimate 1541, which emulate that in FPGA. 00:04:04.882 --> 00:04:05.102 Right. 00:04:05.102 --> 00:04:11.742 So that is set up as a 16 megabyte 1750 REU. 00:04:11.742 --> 00:04:12.422 It works fine. 00:04:14.142 --> 00:04:36.322 So, I feel like you could do a lot more with including an FPGA to replace that, because those chips are getting harder and harder to find, because they only made them for these RAM expansion units, as far as I know, which they didn't sell many of. 00:04:36.642 --> 00:04:40.462 But let me ask you, is there also a version completely assembled with the ship? 00:04:40.762 --> 00:04:43.442 No. 00:04:43.442 --> 00:04:43.742 Nope. 00:04:44.182 --> 00:04:50.042 There's bare PCBs partially assembled, which is the board, but without the chip. 00:04:50.042 --> 00:04:53.682 Complete unit, which is with the case and everything, but no chip. 00:04:53.682 --> 00:04:53.982 Okay. 00:04:53.982 --> 00:04:55.982 What is the ship called again? 00:04:55.982 --> 00:04:58.542 The 8726, REC. 00:04:58.542 --> 00:05:01.182 8726. 00:05:01.182 --> 00:05:02.102 I think it's- 00:05:02.122 --> 00:05:05.262 RTC. 00:05:05.302 --> 00:05:07.462 RTC, you said, right? 00:05:07.702 --> 00:05:08.162 REC. 00:05:08.242 --> 00:05:09.222 REC. 00:05:09.222 --> 00:05:09.902 Okay. 00:05:09.902 --> 00:05:11.642 Let's see on eBay how much that costs. 00:05:11.642 --> 00:05:13.162 It's a DMA controller. 00:05:16.702 --> 00:05:22.562 They were used for fast memory transfer using DMA. 00:05:22.562 --> 00:05:25.402 So you said it's from MOS? 00:05:25.402 --> 00:05:25.582 Yes. 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:38.479 There's both a DIP version and a PLCC version. 00:05:38.479 --> 00:05:40.679 eBay doesn't even list it. 00:05:40.679 --> 00:05:49.139 Yeah, no, they're not common, because again, they only put them into the RAM expansion units and they didn't sell that many of them. 00:05:50.159 --> 00:05:52.679 You know, I got one sitting around here somewhere. 00:05:52.679 --> 00:05:56.059 I don't know where exactly, oh, actually it might be down here. 00:05:56.059 --> 00:05:56.859 I don't know where it is. 00:06:01.039 --> 00:06:02.279 There it is. 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:03.519 These things. 00:06:05.739 --> 00:06:08.619 Yeah, mine is smaller because it's from CMD. 00:06:08.619 --> 00:06:08.859 Right. 00:06:08.859 --> 00:06:11.339 Yeah, you've got the 1750XL or whatever. 00:06:11.339 --> 00:06:13.439 This is the original 1750. 00:06:13.459 --> 00:06:19.119 It's a 512 megabyte, not megabyte, good lord, it's a 512K RAM expansion. 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:26.059 Oh, it's actually called 8726R1. 00:06:27.859 --> 00:06:29.119 Oh, okay. 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:33.499 Well. 00:06:33.559 --> 00:06:35.199 Or the 8726REC. 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:43.219 So, okay, let's see if the second name is more common on eBay. 00:06:44.459 --> 00:06:47.239 Let's see that, because I wanna know. 00:06:56.223 --> 00:06:59.103 Can I get it with the other? 00:07:00.943 --> 00:07:04.683 It would be a chore. 00:07:04.683 --> 00:07:06.963 Nope. 00:07:06.963 --> 00:07:15.163 So what is it good for if you buy a half-assembled version, if you can't get the IC to complete it? 00:07:15.163 --> 00:07:18.003 You would have to dig out, find that IC somewhere. 00:07:18.003 --> 00:07:19.183 We're talking about- 00:07:19.183 --> 00:07:20.683 Which is in a row that you try to- 00:07:20.683 --> 00:07:22.343 We're talking about right here, this guy. 00:07:22.823 --> 00:07:28.863 This is the dip version of it, because that's the version of the REU that I have right there. 00:07:28.863 --> 00:07:31.623 There is a PLCC, which is the square thing. 00:07:35.323 --> 00:07:37.323 It's not long like that. 00:07:37.323 --> 00:07:39.923 Right. 00:07:39.923 --> 00:07:42.163 Well, no way. 00:07:42.163 --> 00:07:43.443 No way. 00:07:45.403 --> 00:07:45.623 Right. 00:07:45.623 --> 00:07:47.523 Yeah, they're not common. 00:07:48.923 --> 00:07:50.203 So it's actually useless. 00:07:51.163 --> 00:07:54.723 Well, I mean, if you've happened to have. 00:07:54.723 --> 00:07:57.143 Oh, I found one. 00:07:57.143 --> 00:08:02.983 Wait, no, no, wait, it's an ICR360R2. 00:08:05.983 --> 00:08:07.343 No, no, okay, okay. 00:08:07.343 --> 00:08:08.663 It's a different one. 00:08:08.663 --> 00:08:09.363 Okay. 00:08:09.363 --> 00:08:10.543 I mean, okay, okay. 00:08:10.543 --> 00:08:24.863 So like if I wanted, because this is a 512 megabyte REU, if I wanted a two megabyte version, I could buy this and put my chip from this into that, and then I'd have the bigger REU. 00:08:24.863 --> 00:08:31.963 But it feels to me like the better idea would be to use an FPGA to emulate that. 00:08:31.963 --> 00:08:32.503 Right. 00:08:32.503 --> 00:08:36.583 Because it has been done before by C and Spicer. 00:08:37.163 --> 00:08:46.043 I've got an NTSC machine, and Sam's Journey runs just fine with the Ultimate 1541 version of it. 00:08:47.503 --> 00:08:49.103 So it can do the stuff. 00:08:50.243 --> 00:08:54.003 But there isn't a third name for that. 00:08:55.143 --> 00:09:00.963 CCG8726R1. 00:09:00.963 --> 00:09:03.243 So there are three names for the same EC. 00:09:04.343 --> 00:09:10.643 Well, I mean, so Commodore Software Group was producing, or Commodore Silicon Group, whatever, whatever it was called. 00:09:10.643 --> 00:09:13.163 They were the name on chips later on. 00:09:13.543 --> 00:09:16.683 But that's MOS, it's the same thing. 00:09:16.683 --> 00:09:18.703 Yeah, I know. 00:09:18.703 --> 00:09:20.043 MOS Technologies. 00:09:20.043 --> 00:09:20.223 Yeah. 00:09:26.711 --> 00:09:30.711 I mean, I like, I mean, I don't know if you can, it's tough to tell in the video here. 00:09:30.711 --> 00:09:31.831 This has seen a lot of use. 00:09:31.831 --> 00:09:33.791 It's very, very yellow. 00:09:33.791 --> 00:09:34.751 I see it, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:09:34.751 --> 00:09:40.831 From being plugged in to my C64 for, and my 128 for years and years and years. 00:09:40.831 --> 00:09:55.511 It's a thing that, until I got that, the 1541 Ultimate a couple of years ago, this had been plugged in continuously for probably 30 years, you know? 00:09:58.251 --> 00:10:06.811 Well, it plays nice with the Super Snapshot Cartridge, which the 1541 Ultimate also emulates. 00:10:08.071 --> 00:10:14.471 That was my Fastload Monitor utility cartridge of choice for many years. 00:10:14.471 --> 00:10:16.251 Yeah. 00:10:16.251 --> 00:10:19.671 Well, but no way of sourcing that, I see. 00:10:19.671 --> 00:10:19.891 Right. 00:10:19.891 --> 00:10:23.151 Yeah, it's a difficult thing to come across because they didn't make that many of them. 00:10:26.731 --> 00:10:30.231 I'm sure they made more than they used because- 00:10:30.231 --> 00:10:33.651 Yeah, because CMT bought all the other. 00:10:33.651 --> 00:10:35.551 Right. 00:10:35.551 --> 00:10:37.891 Right. 00:10:37.891 --> 00:10:41.951 But I mean, there is a technical ship data layout available. 00:10:41.951 --> 00:10:42.131 Right. 00:10:42.131 --> 00:10:44.391 So it could be reproduced. 00:10:44.391 --> 00:10:54.691 Yes, it's been retro-engineered because obviously it's been reproduced on a software level anyway, because again, the 1541 Ultimate did it. 00:10:55.011 --> 00:11:00.771 There's other things that emulate it just fine without using that chip. 00:11:00.771 --> 00:11:06.631 Using the chip is the easier way to do it obviously, because it already exists, just pluck it in a thing. 00:11:07.371 --> 00:11:08.771 But it's doable. 00:11:11.631 --> 00:11:13.631 Oh, let's see, AliExpress. 00:11:13.631 --> 00:11:16.231 If AliExpress can source it. 00:11:21.411 --> 00:11:21.871 Let's see. 00:11:27.209 --> 00:11:32.029 That's interesting, I never actually thought about it. 00:11:32.029 --> 00:11:34.449 Yeah, it's a relative rarity. 00:11:34.449 --> 00:11:35.589 Nope. 00:11:38.029 --> 00:11:38.889 No idea. 00:11:38.889 --> 00:11:44.889 Yeah, because that's the only time it was used, was in the RAM expansion. 00:11:46.709 --> 00:11:47.249 Wow. 00:11:47.249 --> 00:11:49.429 Okay. 00:11:49.429 --> 00:11:50.069 Wow. 00:11:50.069 --> 00:11:51.069 Okay. 00:11:51.149 --> 00:11:59.649 It was produced between 86 and 90, and the Super 1750 clone also used it. 00:12:02.089 --> 00:12:11.029 Yeah, so that's a bit of a hindrance on that. 00:12:11.069 --> 00:12:16.509 So actually, you can buy it, but it's useless because you don't have the ship. 00:12:16.509 --> 00:12:17.189 That's so bad. 00:12:17.189 --> 00:12:17.329 Right. 00:12:17.329 --> 00:12:20.749 Well, I mean, but again, like I said, it is useful. 00:12:21.909 --> 00:12:29.829 For me, for instance, if I wanted a bigger REU, and I've already got an REU, I could just take the chip out of this one, stick it in that one, and it works. 00:12:36.109 --> 00:12:42.289 Yeah, and you can have somebody on Amiga Bay asking the forums, anyone got one to sell? 00:12:42.289 --> 00:12:42.729 Right. 00:12:42.729 --> 00:12:45.829 Yeah. 00:12:45.829 --> 00:12:49.109 So it looks like they can get faulty, obviously. 00:12:49.109 --> 00:12:50.169 Yeah. 00:12:50.169 --> 00:12:51.269 Anyway. 00:12:51.269 --> 00:12:51.769 Yeah. 00:12:51.769 --> 00:12:53.769 So that's enough about that. 00:12:53.769 --> 00:12:54.089 Yeah. 00:12:54.089 --> 00:13:00.289 But we will stay within the range of Core I64, because I mentioned that they were Canadian. 00:13:00.289 --> 00:13:11.789 And they just announced the other day that in response to the BS from the US, their default currency will be Euro from this point. 00:13:11.789 --> 00:13:13.349 That's from a Canadian company. 00:13:13.349 --> 00:13:23.669 Now, I don't know, because since that came out, they have halted the tariffs that they were going to place on Canadian imports. 00:13:23.669 --> 00:13:34.129 I don't understand any of why this is occurring, aside from the fact that the president of the United States is a raving jackass. 00:13:35.049 --> 00:13:42.009 I don't want to be political, because I know that there's people that feel different ways, and we try not to bring that into this, right? 00:13:44.549 --> 00:13:51.089 But, okay, Canada is not an enemy. 00:13:51.089 --> 00:13:54.289 Mexico is not our enemy. 00:13:54.289 --> 00:13:55.889 Depends on who you ask. 00:13:55.889 --> 00:14:01.229 Canada has volunteered troops and thanks to every military conflict that we have been in. 00:14:01.889 --> 00:14:02.389 Okay? 00:14:02.389 --> 00:14:12.829 They are our closest and longest ally, and now we're trying to fricking attack them in a trade war with fucking tariffs that are only going to hurt the people in the US. 00:14:12.829 --> 00:14:19.109 Yeah, like I said, it's the same with the X prizes, you know, people forget that even farmers are using high-tech nowadays. 00:14:19.109 --> 00:14:35.069 So if you make the machinery more expensive because it uses part from China that has tariffs on it, obviously, eggs and milks and so on will get cheaper, which is interesting because I actually did some calculation. 00:14:35.069 --> 00:14:54.849 I figured out our eggs are actually $2 cheaper than the ones in the US., despite we are always taken as a prime example here in Germany of having a 100% increase on food products. 00:14:55.189 --> 00:14:56.269 Things are lunacy here. 00:14:56.269 --> 00:15:01.669 Since the Ukrainian-Urussian conflict. 00:15:01.669 --> 00:15:05.149 The last two times I went shopping for groceries. 00:15:05.149 --> 00:15:09.929 This was a major campaign thing that was run on, that we're going to lower the price of groceries. 00:15:09.929 --> 00:15:10.949 Things cost too much. 00:15:10.949 --> 00:15:12.809 Groceries are too expensive. 00:15:12.809 --> 00:15:15.889 Before, I used to think, wow, that's pretty expensive. 00:15:15.889 --> 00:15:19.729 I'm spending like 30 bucks at the grocery store. 00:15:19.729 --> 00:15:23.609 That's for like a day or two of food. 00:15:23.609 --> 00:15:24.429 I went out yesterday. 00:15:24.789 --> 00:15:27.649 I got ingredients for dinner last night. 00:15:27.649 --> 00:15:29.889 One meal, I got ingredients for. 00:15:29.889 --> 00:15:33.849 Seventy dollars for one. 00:15:33.849 --> 00:15:36.069 I have to go shopping again two nights. 00:15:37.669 --> 00:15:39.009 Now is the time. 00:15:39.009 --> 00:15:40.909 Anyone out there? 00:15:40.909 --> 00:15:44.229 So my fiance is vegan. 00:15:44.229 --> 00:15:44.489 Okay. 00:15:44.489 --> 00:15:46.369 She does not eat meat products. 00:15:46.369 --> 00:15:47.229 Okay. 00:15:47.229 --> 00:15:51.829 Now is a good time to do that because cheese was like twice the price that normally is. 00:15:51.829 --> 00:15:53.969 Vegan cheese, two dollars. 00:15:53.969 --> 00:15:54.629 Right. 00:15:54.629 --> 00:16:05.209 Normally, the vegan products are more expensive because they are more complex to process because they have to taste similar than the non-vegan. 00:16:05.209 --> 00:16:08.429 But now, most of the vegan stuff is made in the US. 00:16:08.429 --> 00:16:11.269 So it's cheaper. 00:16:11.269 --> 00:16:14.509 And it's made by stuff that is grown here. 00:16:14.589 --> 00:16:20.589 So it is ultimately cheaper than buying a thing of provolone or something. 00:16:20.589 --> 00:16:25.229 And here's a shocking thing for most Americans, by the way, about eggs in Germany. 00:16:25.229 --> 00:16:32.129 Our eggs are longer fresh, and we don't put them in the refrigerator. 00:16:32.129 --> 00:16:33.249 Why is that? 00:16:36.009 --> 00:16:41.109 Because Americans wash the eggs before they put them in the stores. 00:16:41.109 --> 00:16:44.009 But our eggs sometimes have shit on them. 00:16:44.509 --> 00:16:51.269 Literally, all feathers, because our eggs are never cleaned before putting in the cardboard box. 00:16:51.269 --> 00:16:52.789 Let me tell you something, okay? 00:16:52.789 --> 00:16:55.449 My neighbor has chickens, okay? 00:16:56.389 --> 00:16:58.949 I get our eggs from my neighbor, okay? 00:16:58.949 --> 00:17:01.109 They are straight from the cloaca. 00:17:01.349 --> 00:17:03.529 They got poop on them, they last forever. 00:17:03.529 --> 00:17:05.829 They're better than anything I've ever bought in a store. 00:17:05.829 --> 00:17:06.669 I know. 00:17:06.669 --> 00:17:08.669 You don't have to worry about them going bad. 00:17:08.669 --> 00:17:12.249 They're sitting on a counter in a basket for weeks. 00:17:13.309 --> 00:17:13.749 I know. 00:17:13.749 --> 00:17:16.349 That's actually the thing of our eggs. 00:17:16.349 --> 00:17:24.669 But of course, when you're done with them, when you use them, the shells, don't throw the shells away, you throw them back outside and the chickens eat them. 00:17:24.669 --> 00:17:25.149 I know. 00:17:25.149 --> 00:17:26.149 Yeah. 00:17:26.349 --> 00:17:27.029 It's amazing. 00:17:27.029 --> 00:17:27.749 I've got one. 00:17:27.749 --> 00:17:29.009 Miss Hen comes over here all the time. 00:17:29.749 --> 00:17:32.049 She thinks she's a dog and she thinks she's my dog. 00:17:32.049 --> 00:17:37.009 She just follows me around all the time because she knows I'll give her seeds and stuff. 00:17:37.749 --> 00:17:39.689 But I mean, it's fantastic. 00:17:40.149 --> 00:17:44.689 I will never go back to buying eggs in a store as long as I can. 00:17:44.689 --> 00:17:44.869 Yeah. 00:17:44.869 --> 00:17:52.369 Anyway, that's the vast difference between eggs in Germany compared to eggs in America. 00:17:52.369 --> 00:17:53.669 Yes. 00:17:53.669 --> 00:17:57.549 But obviously, when you touch the eggs, you clean your hands afterwards. 00:17:57.609 --> 00:17:58.149 Of course. 00:17:58.149 --> 00:17:58.629 Yeah. 00:17:58.629 --> 00:17:59.649 Oh, no. 00:17:59.649 --> 00:18:02.109 Scrub the eggs off before you crack them open. 00:18:02.109 --> 00:18:03.009 Right. 00:18:03.009 --> 00:18:06.209 Clean the egg before you crack them open, crack it open, throw it away, you're good. 00:18:06.429 --> 00:18:09.369 But actually, I never understood why does America do that? 00:18:09.689 --> 00:18:24.349 Why do you remove the protection of the eggs, the protection layer, on purpose so they are shiny, so they have to go to the fridge just because they look nicer in the supermarket? 00:18:24.349 --> 00:18:31.529 Yes, that's exactly it because people equate that with, oh, my guess, salmonella. 00:18:31.529 --> 00:18:33.449 No, wash your fucking hands. 00:18:35.029 --> 00:18:37.649 Cook the egg thoroughly, wash your hands, you don't worry about it. 00:18:38.069 --> 00:18:40.569 But people, they don't want that. 00:18:40.569 --> 00:18:54.149 I also have a sneaking suspicion that it is because, because if you get a dozen eggs, 12 eggs, you might not use all those eggs within the allotted span that you have before they go bad. 00:18:54.149 --> 00:18:56.589 So now you got to buy more eggs. 00:18:56.589 --> 00:19:01.349 We have a long history in this country of subsidizing. 00:19:02.749 --> 00:19:05.489 There's a great story with cheese. 00:19:05.829 --> 00:19:14.309 A lot of cheese for places like Pizza Hut and Domino's, it comes from government cheese caves. 00:19:14.309 --> 00:19:15.329 I don't remember what state they're in. 00:19:15.569 --> 00:19:17.649 There's a state with government cheese caves. 00:19:17.649 --> 00:19:22.849 But the problem is that the demand for dairy has decreased. 00:19:22.849 --> 00:19:23.329 Sorry. 00:19:23.329 --> 00:19:24.209 Now I'm sneezing. 00:19:24.209 --> 00:19:25.269 Thank you. 00:19:25.269 --> 00:19:30.589 The demand for dairy has decreased over the last many, many years throughout the 20th century. 00:19:30.849 --> 00:19:31.649 It kept going down. 00:19:32.509 --> 00:19:38.669 Meaning that dairy farmers were not getting the income that they used to get. 00:19:38.669 --> 00:19:42.929 The government paid the dairy farmers to produce dairy. 00:19:42.929 --> 00:19:46.029 The easiest way to store that dairy is in the form of cheese. 00:19:46.029 --> 00:19:55.029 Then the government bought this dairy from the farmers, turned it into cheese, put it in a cave for 15 years because nobody wants it. 00:19:55.029 --> 00:20:03.849 Now we have a surplus of cheese in caves that they sell to like restaurants and places that need like bulk cheese orders. 00:20:03.849 --> 00:20:08.309 Because, and it's all just because just so that farmers could get paid. 00:20:08.309 --> 00:20:10.009 Don't get out of the dairy farming business. 00:20:10.009 --> 00:20:12.129 Don't move on to a different thing because the demand is low. 00:20:12.229 --> 00:20:15.609 No, we'll just pay you to keep doing stuff that nobody wants. 00:20:16.789 --> 00:20:17.729 Holy crap. 00:20:17.729 --> 00:20:18.309 Okay. 00:20:18.669 --> 00:20:19.569 It's ridiculous. 00:20:19.709 --> 00:20:21.869 I'm surrounded by corn fields. 00:20:21.869 --> 00:20:22.729 Okay. 00:20:22.729 --> 00:20:25.329 A lot of those corn fields are animal feed. 00:20:25.329 --> 00:20:25.589 All right. 00:20:25.589 --> 00:20:28.609 They're going to go to feed cows or whatever the hell it is. 00:20:29.069 --> 00:20:32.789 There's corn, there's soybeans, there's all this stuff, but it's almost all animal feed. 00:20:32.789 --> 00:20:45.349 Some of it, however, is biofuel, which again, the reason, the amount of corn-derived biofuel that we use is insignificant. 00:20:45.349 --> 00:20:51.269 But we do it so that people can still make a living by growing corn. 00:20:52.789 --> 00:20:53.729 Grow something else. 00:20:58.189 --> 00:21:04.089 It boggles my mind that we continue to use money, use taxpayers' dollars. 00:21:04.569 --> 00:21:05.449 People get real angry. 00:21:05.449 --> 00:21:07.829 All right, my tax dollars could go into whatever. 00:21:07.929 --> 00:21:15.629 Well, they're using your tax dollars to pay farmers to produce stuff that nobody wants and nobody needs. 00:21:18.409 --> 00:21:20.969 They could be growing stuff that people actually need or want. 00:21:23.789 --> 00:21:24.949 That would make a lot more sense. 00:21:24.949 --> 00:21:33.329 95% of mushrooms, or 94% maybe, of the mushrooms that are sold in stores come from China. 00:21:33.329 --> 00:21:37.069 China is the largest producer of mushrooms on the planet. 00:21:38.649 --> 00:21:45.689 If we made 10% of that, that's something that is useful. 00:21:45.689 --> 00:21:46.309 People want that. 00:21:50.429 --> 00:21:53.989 Anyway, we derived from tech to groceries. 00:21:55.169 --> 00:22:09.129 So anyway, I don't know if the Core i65, if Thomas Christoph from there has changed his stance since the tariffs were delayed. 00:22:11.949 --> 00:22:19.849 But yeah, I don't blame him for going with that because it is a shitshow at the moment. 00:22:19.849 --> 00:22:23.069 And another news not related to this. 00:22:23.069 --> 00:22:30.789 We talked to Fritz Phillips a while ago about GUI 64. 00:22:30.789 --> 00:22:31.969 Exactly. 00:22:31.969 --> 00:22:43.249 As of the end of the year, I think it was the 29th of January, GUI 64 now supports the SDG- 00:22:43.249 --> 00:22:44.569 End of the year? 00:22:44.569 --> 00:22:46.929 Yeah, end of 2014. 00:22:46.929 --> 00:22:49.809 But the 29th of January is the end of the year. 00:22:49.809 --> 00:22:50.109 Oh, you're right. 00:22:50.109 --> 00:22:51.049 What am I talking about? 00:22:51.049 --> 00:22:52.489 Yeah. 00:22:52.489 --> 00:22:57.009 See, the whole government tirade messed my brain all up. 00:22:57.009 --> 00:22:59.229 I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore. 00:22:59.229 --> 00:23:02.349 End of January, the end of January, beginning of this year. 00:23:04.449 --> 00:23:04.809 Yes. 00:23:04.809 --> 00:23:11.669 Fritz Phillips has updated GUI 64 to now include support for SD2IEC devices. 00:23:11.669 --> 00:23:14.849 So you can access directories on an SD card. 00:23:20.049 --> 00:23:21.609 There was something else. 00:23:22.689 --> 00:23:30.169 I get maybe, you can set the device number for each of the two drives that are active. 00:23:30.169 --> 00:23:32.569 So that's something we talked about in the podcast. 00:23:32.669 --> 00:23:36.649 We talked about SD2IEC as swapping drive numbers. 00:23:36.649 --> 00:23:37.709 Right. 00:23:37.709 --> 00:23:38.969 That has now been added to it. 00:23:38.969 --> 00:23:39.809 So. 00:23:39.809 --> 00:23:40.369 Awesome. 00:23:40.369 --> 00:23:42.269 Awesome. 00:23:43.349 --> 00:23:45.069 There is a demonstration video online. 00:23:45.069 --> 00:23:46.589 We'll link to that. 00:23:47.909 --> 00:23:49.289 It's not the greatest quality. 00:23:49.289 --> 00:23:54.089 It was kind of just under the phone, but yeah. 00:23:54.089 --> 00:23:58.049 So he's connected to an SD2IEC device. 00:23:58.049 --> 00:23:58.889 Awesome. 00:23:58.889 --> 00:23:59.509 So that's that. 00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:09.389 And finally, from my end, there is a new open source Kickstart module for the Amiga 3000 and 4000. 00:24:09.389 --> 00:24:10.849 It's called KickSmash32. 00:24:16.789 --> 00:24:18.809 So I don't exactly know. 00:24:18.809 --> 00:24:25.929 I think there's eight different banks, so you can have different versions of the Kickstart in memory, and you can switch them. 00:24:29.629 --> 00:24:33.169 And maybe you could, I don't know, there's a lot of stuff here in this. 00:24:33.169 --> 00:24:36.349 I don't really understand what I'm looking at. 00:24:36.349 --> 00:24:38.229 It's a lot of like Linux. 00:24:40.369 --> 00:24:49.689 So I don't know exactly how it works, but it is an open source ROM replacement module designed for the Amiga 3000 and 4000. 00:24:49.689 --> 00:24:50.589 Yep. 00:24:50.589 --> 00:24:56.589 Flexibility in managing multiple Kickstart ROMs with ease both within the system and externally. 00:24:56.589 --> 00:24:58.529 So that's the thing. 00:24:58.729 --> 00:25:12.949 That's which is useful if anyone that uses the Amiga knows that sometimes when you want to do something, like play a game or a demo or something, it wants a certain Kickstart ROM. 00:25:12.949 --> 00:25:16.089 And if you haven't got that ROM, it ain't working. 00:25:16.089 --> 00:25:20.229 That's one of the cool things about the ACA 500 plus. 00:25:20.289 --> 00:25:29.409 I think that's what this thing is called, from individual computers, is that it has all the different Kickstart ROMs on it. 00:25:29.409 --> 00:25:37.369 So you can store, like I've got, I've got the 3.1.4 Kickstart ROM in the machine. 00:25:37.369 --> 00:25:43.689 And this guy has the Kickstart ROMs like 1.3 through 3.1 on this. 00:25:43.689 --> 00:25:48.449 And when you start up the Amiga, you can just select which ones you want. 00:25:48.529 --> 00:25:57.249 And also select the configuration, because I've got like an Amiga 1200 accelerator on this thing, which I can then turn off because some things don't want to work with it. 00:25:57.249 --> 00:26:03.829 Some things want like a basic Amiga 500 with the Kickstart 1.3, and the OCS chips and all that stuff. 00:26:03.829 --> 00:26:07.409 And you can do that with the ACA 500. 00:26:07.409 --> 00:26:14.769 But now this gives you the option to do that on an Amiga 3000 and 4000, which you can't hook an ACA 500 to because it doesn't have the right thing. 00:26:16.309 --> 00:26:19.529 Hence, it's called 500 and not 3000 or 4000. 00:26:19.529 --> 00:26:23.049 Well, you can hook the ACA 500 up to an Amiga 1000. 00:26:23.149 --> 00:26:23.709 Okay. 00:26:23.709 --> 00:26:27.409 Because it's got that Xoro slot in the side. 00:26:27.409 --> 00:26:32.089 It's just, I think you just have to connect it upside down and backwards or something. 00:26:33.089 --> 00:26:37.809 I've seen it done because it's similar hardware. 00:26:37.809 --> 00:26:40.449 I've actually on mine, I don't know if you can really see it. 00:26:40.449 --> 00:26:50.409 I've got an extender, so I have ACA 500 and then I have a Xoro slot right there for plugging in another Xoro card. 00:26:50.409 --> 00:26:54.649 I've got an RTG card, the graphics card over there that I can't get. 00:26:54.649 --> 00:26:58.149 I can't figure how to set it up because I suck at the Amiga. 00:26:59.529 --> 00:26:59.969 But I do have it. 00:26:59.969 --> 00:27:02.409 I'm pretty sure somebody could help you out. 00:27:02.409 --> 00:27:09.149 I've got, there is a web page that explains in miniscule detail how to do it and I tried it and it didn't work. 00:27:10.489 --> 00:27:12.249 So I don't know what happened. 00:27:12.249 --> 00:27:15.909 But it's okay because I don't really need it that much. 00:27:15.909 --> 00:27:28.049 It would be fun to play with, but I don't see myself like, most of the stuff I do with the Amiga is like games or demos or stuff, which aren't going to use that RTG graphic card. 00:27:28.049 --> 00:27:29.649 Anyway, my news, right? 00:27:29.649 --> 00:27:30.449 Those are my news. 00:27:30.449 --> 00:27:31.389 Go on to you. 00:27:31.449 --> 00:27:32.089 Right. 00:27:32.089 --> 00:27:36.989 So, news number one, we released Scene World Issue 35. 00:27:36.989 --> 00:27:38.509 Right back there. 00:27:39.029 --> 00:27:40.629 You have the intro there. 00:27:40.629 --> 00:27:41.229 Yeah. 00:27:41.229 --> 00:27:55.989 The intro is actually called Bouncy Bouncy by Richard, and it has graphic on it, a splash screen before the screen you see behind AJ there, and it's actually done by our newest member, Schesser from Hungary. 00:27:55.989 --> 00:28:01.969 He's our new graphic artist, and he just joined two days ago when we released the latest issue. 00:28:01.969 --> 00:28:04.769 So yeah, there we go. 00:28:04.769 --> 00:28:11.489 So that is actually his first contribution to the team there. 00:28:11.489 --> 00:28:27.349 And the one you see right now behind you, the graphic is actually done by Shine who used to be a member for Time with Us, and now contributes his graphic skills to us still, as you can see there. 00:28:27.529 --> 00:28:27.869 Excellent. 00:28:28.789 --> 00:28:31.249 Andy is an excellent graphics guy. 00:28:31.249 --> 00:28:33.869 Right. 00:28:33.869 --> 00:28:38.329 Yeah, that's basically the news. 00:28:38.329 --> 00:28:52.529 Yeah, also Victor Retromantis, our graphic artist from Peru, also did the disk cover this time. 00:28:52.529 --> 00:29:06.769 It's actually a pretty unique style because it combines black and white scanline graphics, sprites with orange as a color scheme. 00:29:06.769 --> 00:29:09.429 So it's actually pretty unique there. 00:29:10.369 --> 00:29:11.989 I enjoy it a lot. 00:29:11.989 --> 00:29:13.829 So check it out. 00:29:14.889 --> 00:29:23.149 You can get it from sceneworld.org, download it, play it in Wwise or actually on the web page. 00:29:23.149 --> 00:29:28.709 If you're prouder, it's lucky enough, and doesn't throw a buffer overflow error. 00:29:28.709 --> 00:29:31.129 Or on your real C64. 00:29:31.129 --> 00:29:32.529 Play it on that. 00:29:32.529 --> 00:29:33.209 Yeah. 00:29:33.209 --> 00:29:33.649 Right. 00:29:33.649 --> 00:29:33.949 Right. 00:29:33.949 --> 00:29:34.449 Right. 00:29:34.449 --> 00:29:37.249 Works on all of them, even the NTSC ones. 00:29:37.249 --> 00:29:37.489 Yeah. 00:29:37.489 --> 00:29:40.429 As you can see behind you, yes. 00:29:41.689 --> 00:29:56.689 Other news actually is the Ancrow Video Game Nerd announced a new NES game coming up called the Ancrow Video Game Nerd 8-bit NES game. 00:29:56.689 --> 00:29:56.849 Yeah. 00:29:56.849 --> 00:29:58.369 It's actually the name of the game. 00:29:58.369 --> 00:29:59.129 Yeah. 00:29:59.129 --> 00:29:59.769 Yeah. 00:29:59.769 --> 00:30:05.329 There is a trailer, but not much meat behind it. 00:30:05.329 --> 00:30:07.989 But there you go, it's happening in a bit. 00:30:08.429 --> 00:30:17.569 I mean, it's a homebrew NES platform game. 00:30:17.569 --> 00:30:20.189 So it's what you'd expect. 00:30:21.369 --> 00:30:24.629 I think there was another Ancrow Video Game Nerd game. 00:30:24.629 --> 00:30:26.989 It might have been just for- 00:30:26.989 --> 00:30:27.369 Really? 00:30:27.369 --> 00:30:28.529 I don't recall that. 00:30:28.529 --> 00:30:28.669 Yeah. 00:30:28.929 --> 00:30:30.969 It might have been on Steam or somewhere. 00:30:32.609 --> 00:30:36.269 There was a game already, Ancrow Video Game Nerd game. 00:30:37.209 --> 00:30:42.709 We need someone else to sit here and pull things up for us, so we don't have to sit there looking like idiots trying to do this. 00:30:44.309 --> 00:30:45.989 Okay, so there was- 00:30:48.349 --> 00:30:49.969 Oh dear. 00:30:49.969 --> 00:30:50.929 There's been a few. 00:30:50.929 --> 00:31:00.269 There's Ancrow Video Game Nerd Adventures, Ancrow Video Game Nerd 1, and Ancrow Video Game Nerd 2, Deluxe. 00:31:00.369 --> 00:31:01.249 Okay. 00:31:01.249 --> 00:31:03.509 There's a few games that were put out. 00:31:04.609 --> 00:31:05.889 I don't know. 00:31:06.189 --> 00:31:12.869 I feel like it was just Liquid New Jersey. 00:31:12.869 --> 00:31:14.089 It's funny. 00:31:16.309 --> 00:31:20.509 Yeah, I don't know where the actual game is or what it was. 00:31:20.569 --> 00:31:21.729 Other media. 00:31:27.329 --> 00:31:27.829 Video game. 00:31:27.829 --> 00:31:30.509 So it was 2013, Adventures came out. 00:31:30.509 --> 00:31:39.509 2016 was a video game near 2, Assimilation, and 2020 was the deluxe version. 00:31:39.509 --> 00:31:42.089 But not an NES game. 00:31:42.089 --> 00:31:45.669 No, it was on Windows via Steam. 00:31:46.949 --> 00:31:51.049 Well, as is understood from the trailer, there will also be a stream release of the game and stuff. 00:31:51.049 --> 00:31:52.209 Yeah, yeah. 00:31:53.829 --> 00:31:59.689 And then the second one was Steam and the Nintendo Switch. 00:31:59.689 --> 00:32:00.769 Nice. 00:32:00.769 --> 00:32:03.609 With ports for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. 00:32:05.549 --> 00:32:09.489 Okay. 00:32:09.489 --> 00:32:10.649 Other news. 00:32:10.649 --> 00:32:16.589 The racing game, Arsato Corsa is actually getting an successor. 00:32:16.709 --> 00:32:18.189 What game? 00:32:18.189 --> 00:32:19.909 Arsato Corsa. 00:32:21.209 --> 00:32:33.649 It's a racing game for the PC, and it's actually having an successor called Arsato Corsa Evo, and it has been released on Steam as early access. 00:32:33.709 --> 00:32:34.549 Okay. 00:32:34.549 --> 00:32:36.169 Yeah. 00:32:36.169 --> 00:32:46.109 And also released for pre-order, and the trailer announcing the pre-order of Tempest Rising has been happening. 00:32:46.169 --> 00:33:04.109 And yeah, and the interesting thing here is that that Tempest Rising, it's actually not that expensive. 00:33:04.109 --> 00:33:19.049 So if you look at the store page, for example, and you want to buy it, the normal version of it is 39.99 euros. 00:33:19.049 --> 00:33:48.649 And the Deluxe edition with seven days access ahead of release is actually 49.99, which is interesting because there have been discussions that the upcoming GTA would be the first game where $100 or euros would be the default price for AAA games. 00:33:49.749 --> 00:33:56.429 So the industry is actually hoping for Rockstar making that example. 00:33:56.429 --> 00:33:58.409 Right. 00:33:58.409 --> 00:33:59.549 Okay. 00:33:59.549 --> 00:34:00.249 Yeah. 00:34:00.249 --> 00:34:05.749 So it's actually nice to see the Deluxe version would actually cost half of that. 00:34:05.809 --> 00:34:06.589 Yeah. 00:34:06.589 --> 00:34:07.149 Yeah. 00:34:07.149 --> 00:34:09.829 Because I remember two years ago. 00:34:09.829 --> 00:34:25.109 So around two years ago in December 2023, it actually was that games in Germany started being 80 euros for AAA games like Need for Speed, Unbound. 00:34:25.109 --> 00:34:32.969 It was like, holy smokes, 80 euros for a AAA game, and now we are talking about 100. 00:34:34.029 --> 00:34:34.529 Yeah. 00:34:34.529 --> 00:34:36.529 Wow. 00:34:36.529 --> 00:34:38.389 Wow. 00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:38.649 Yeah. 00:34:38.989 --> 00:34:42.869 I mean, to get up there for a while, the argument was that these are- 00:34:42.969 --> 00:34:44.789 More expensive to produce. 00:34:44.789 --> 00:34:49.369 Expensive to produce, and also they've become an art form in themselves. 00:34:49.369 --> 00:35:08.369 Like you had TV, movies, books, stuff like that, and games are a form of storytelling, and very, very time-consuming, because it's not just take a video of some people doing something, reading some lines, this is like having to render things, and write code, and all that stuff. 00:35:08.369 --> 00:35:14.709 So there's a lot more time-consuming than just filming a movie or writing a book. 00:35:15.769 --> 00:35:16.969 Open world also. 00:35:17.009 --> 00:35:18.249 Right, yeah. 00:35:19.289 --> 00:35:23.649 GTA 6 will be an open world game again. 00:35:23.909 --> 00:35:25.389 If that ever happens. 00:35:26.629 --> 00:35:33.449 Yeah, well, they say, of course, that the PC version will be heavily delayed. 00:35:33.449 --> 00:35:51.109 As always with Rockstar, I mean, one of the earlier intros of the podcast, we spoke about how Red Dead Redemption took 14 years to make its way from the PlayStation 3 to the PC. 00:35:51.109 --> 00:35:56.269 So at that point, people thought it would never happen. 00:35:56.269 --> 00:36:03.129 And of course, you still pay a premium for the game despite it's 14 years old. 00:36:03.129 --> 00:36:07.749 And you were actually at the standpoint, why not? 00:36:07.789 --> 00:36:08.269 Right, yeah. 00:36:08.269 --> 00:36:12.809 I mean, if you want to play the game, if that's important to you. 00:36:13.529 --> 00:36:16.969 Again, you know, No Man's Sky came out in what, 2014? 00:36:16.989 --> 00:36:18.129 2016. 00:36:18.129 --> 00:36:19.709 2016, yeah. 00:36:19.709 --> 00:36:24.689 It came out on Mac not long ago, a couple of years. 00:36:24.689 --> 00:36:27.209 And, you know, I purchased it. 00:36:27.549 --> 00:36:30.829 I got it on Mac because I wanted the game. 00:36:30.829 --> 00:36:36.489 So you are also fine with being 100 bucks the new norm for AAA games? 00:36:36.489 --> 00:36:38.069 I mean, it's a lot. 00:36:38.069 --> 00:36:49.889 But if I really want to play the game, then I think it will ultimately hurt gaming studios because it will discourage people who might be on the fence. 00:36:49.889 --> 00:36:53.269 If it was 50 bucks, you know, I might be like, hey, I'll give it a shot. 00:36:53.269 --> 00:36:57.209 I don't really know if I want to play it, but I'll try it because it's not that much money. 00:36:59.009 --> 00:37:05.449 I mean, with Steam, you have the possibility to return it within a few hours. 00:37:05.829 --> 00:37:07.269 Right? 00:37:07.269 --> 00:37:07.509 Yeah. 00:37:07.509 --> 00:37:15.569 But it's one of those things where it's like, like if I'm on the fence and it's 100 bucks, I'll stay on that fence. 00:37:15.569 --> 00:37:19.269 I'm not going to spend that to get something I might not play. 00:37:19.269 --> 00:37:26.369 But if it's 30, 40 bucks, yeah, I can throw it on a game and not think twice about ever playing it again. 00:37:26.409 --> 00:37:30.129 You know, that's, that's, you know, it's. 00:37:31.509 --> 00:37:42.709 So I, you know, I think ultimately more people might be like that, where if you sold it at 30 bucks or 40 bucks, you might sell, say, a million copies. 00:37:42.709 --> 00:37:45.329 Okay, just just throwing out a number. 00:37:45.329 --> 00:37:51.109 But that might be down to like, like 700,000 if you've got it at 100. 00:37:51.149 --> 00:38:00.189 Because because that there is a pretendage of people that 30% who are just like, I don't know if I really want to play it, and I don't want to spend the money to find out. 00:38:00.189 --> 00:38:03.729 So people would wait for Steam or Goxail rather. 00:38:03.729 --> 00:38:05.389 Yeah. 00:38:05.389 --> 00:38:11.769 Like how much was, how much was Cyberpunk 2077? 00:38:11.769 --> 00:38:12.969 Good question. 00:38:14.009 --> 00:38:17.689 I mean, you could look at the Steam DB. 00:38:19.489 --> 00:38:24.209 Would that still have it from when it first came out? 00:38:24.209 --> 00:38:32.629 I mean, I have the Steam DB plug-in in my browser, so I can actually look at the price change of games. 00:38:32.629 --> 00:38:34.629 Okay. 00:38:34.629 --> 00:38:38.829 Because Steam DB is open. 00:38:38.829 --> 00:38:43.009 I don't know if it's open source, but it's not an official Valve product. 00:38:43.009 --> 00:38:59.349 But it's a plug-in where you can actually see what the price of games were, what was the lowest number, the highest number. 00:38:59.349 --> 00:39:04.469 So let's see if I can actually do that. 00:39:04.469 --> 00:39:07.169 It looks like it was $59.99. 00:39:07.169 --> 00:39:08.369 It was $60. 00:39:09.649 --> 00:39:10.169 Right. 00:39:10.169 --> 00:39:11.109 I'm looking at it right here. 00:39:11.109 --> 00:39:15.069 So, yeah, so I bought, I purchased the game. 00:39:16.509 --> 00:39:17.809 It's in my Steam library. 00:39:17.809 --> 00:39:21.189 I've played it once. 00:39:23.809 --> 00:39:25.169 I tried it a couple of times. 00:39:25.349 --> 00:39:29.889 I didn't really get that much into it, and then I just walked away. 00:39:31.809 --> 00:39:37.829 And it's at a price level where it's like I'm not, it doesn't bother me to not have lost that $60. 00:39:37.829 --> 00:39:40.169 I still got the game if I want to play it. 00:39:40.169 --> 00:39:48.309 But I think if it was $100, I probably would not have even spent it on the game because I didn't know if I wanted to play it or not. 00:39:50.069 --> 00:39:52.929 Okay, it says current price, $59. 00:39:54.769 --> 00:40:03.309 It says on release date for, it says converted price is also same, $59.99. 00:40:04.549 --> 00:40:07.849 Lowest recorded price was $26. 00:40:07.849 --> 00:40:09.969 Right, that was probably on a sale. 00:40:09.969 --> 00:40:11.349 On a sale, yeah. 00:40:11.349 --> 00:40:14.629 But it doesn't actually say what it was on release. 00:40:17.269 --> 00:40:18.689 $59.99 sounds right. 00:40:21.289 --> 00:40:23.449 Yeah, that sounds about right. 00:40:23.449 --> 00:40:34.489 So again, it was a price point in which I didn't mind losing that money, and I didn't worry about getting it back. 00:40:34.629 --> 00:40:38.729 I would have been, if it was $100, I probably would not have bothered buying it. 00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:44.549 All right. 00:40:45.729 --> 00:40:48.049 Well, that's the way it goes, right? 00:40:48.649 --> 00:40:52.229 Yeah. 00:40:52.229 --> 00:40:52.589 Yes. 00:40:52.589 --> 00:40:53.829 Well, there we go. 00:40:53.829 --> 00:41:00.269 Anyway, I think it's a fair price for temperature rising, and I'm really looking forward to it. 00:41:00.269 --> 00:41:04.529 I mean, I can't spoil it here because we already did record the interview. 00:41:04.529 --> 00:41:11.749 We will also have a follow-up interview about that RTS topic, about Dying Preet. 00:41:11.749 --> 00:41:14.929 So there we go as well. 00:41:14.929 --> 00:41:18.629 So we will stick to the topic of new game releases. 00:41:18.629 --> 00:41:44.669 Another news in that regard is actually that a while ago, we did an interview with Francesco Gonzales, Krandeslav Games, one of those that AJ wasn't a part of, unfortunately, and he actually announced that Rosewater will be released on March 27th for PC, Mac and Linux. 00:41:45.689 --> 00:41:46.269 Okay. 00:41:46.269 --> 00:41:48.869 And so that's actually nice. 00:41:48.889 --> 00:41:50.869 So yeah. 00:41:52.549 --> 00:41:54.589 That's yeah. 00:41:54.649 --> 00:42:06.849 Another announcement has been done that SIDFX actually has between 40 and 75% of price decrease because they are cleaning their stocks. 00:42:06.849 --> 00:42:07.429 Yeah. 00:42:07.429 --> 00:42:14.849 So if you want to have spare parts and accessories, now is your last time because SIDFX will be discontinued. 00:42:14.849 --> 00:42:17.529 No more units will be made from this point. 00:42:17.529 --> 00:42:20.889 It's been discontinued for a while because they were just selling out the remaining stock. 00:42:20.889 --> 00:42:22.249 I actually got a second one. 00:42:22.309 --> 00:42:25.289 It's sitting over there on top of the 128. 00:42:25.669 --> 00:42:28.329 I've got a second just in case. 00:42:28.569 --> 00:42:38.789 I'm not using it because I want to put something in my 128, but I'm going to do the, I think it's over there actually. 00:42:38.789 --> 00:42:42.709 The FPGA SID is going to go on the 128. 00:42:42.749 --> 00:42:44.309 Okay, yes. 00:42:44.309 --> 00:42:50.569 And last bit of news, the South African streamer, Joey Bear, who we also interviewed. 00:42:50.569 --> 00:42:55.509 And one of those interviews again where AJ wasn't part of, unfortunately. 00:42:55.509 --> 00:43:00.189 She released her first song called Swoosh. 00:43:01.229 --> 00:43:06.949 And we will put a link to all that stuff there as well. 00:43:06.949 --> 00:43:08.849 So that's it from my side. 00:43:08.849 --> 00:43:18.509 And I would say now let's jump over to the US or stay in the US compared to where you're sitting like AJ. 00:43:18.509 --> 00:43:20.869 And talk about Fearzine. 00:43:21.889 --> 00:43:23.049 Fearzine, yes. 00:43:23.049 --> 00:43:26.449 Fearzine. 00:43:26.449 --> 00:43:29.949 Wonderful. 00:43:29.989 --> 00:43:38.349 Today, we have another podcast, obviously, another episode with two guests this time from Fearzine. 00:43:40.009 --> 00:43:48.769 And this would be Maria Kinnun and Daniel Morris. 00:43:48.769 --> 00:43:56.289 And just so I get this right, Dan Morris, you are actually, according to the homepage, the Editor-in-Chief. 00:43:57.649 --> 00:44:06.629 And Maria, you are Head of Staff, also, aka Number 2. 00:44:06.629 --> 00:44:08.549 I am the poop of the team, yes. 00:44:08.549 --> 00:44:09.749 Oh, awesome. 00:44:10.409 --> 00:44:12.969 So welcome to the podcast. 00:44:12.969 --> 00:44:13.909 Yeah, thanks for having us. 00:44:13.909 --> 00:44:15.909 Hey, thanks for having us. 00:44:15.909 --> 00:44:21.169 We will try to not be so fearful this time. 00:44:22.249 --> 00:44:22.869 All righty. 00:44:22.869 --> 00:44:23.449 All righty. 00:44:23.449 --> 00:44:35.909 Yeah, well, I mean, I got to know you guys from one of your staff members, Alex McCumbers, who was like, yeah, perhaps you can contribute. 00:44:35.909 --> 00:44:49.509 So far, I couldn't, but I thought at least we can talk to you guys and learn about it, because all I know is you actually took it over from a different staff after issue 1. 00:44:50.489 --> 00:44:53.989 So perhaps, let's talk a bit about that later. 00:44:53.989 --> 00:44:58.129 But first of all, let's start with our common question. 00:44:58.129 --> 00:45:03.369 What was your starting point with computers and games? 00:45:04.669 --> 00:45:05.709 I don't know who wants to start. 00:45:05.709 --> 00:45:06.869 Yeah, Bert. 00:45:11.549 --> 00:45:18.969 Well, I actually started with an Amstrad in the UK, Amiga, which I see in the background. 00:45:19.749 --> 00:45:21.829 I'm fighting with about 20 minutes now. 00:45:21.829 --> 00:45:24.489 Yeah, I see it there and I recognize it straight away. 00:45:24.489 --> 00:45:32.389 I was going to ask, yeah, I had an Amiga for many, many years and then went on to PlayStation, Genesis, Mega Drive and stuff. 00:45:32.389 --> 00:45:37.269 So yeah, basically been gaming most of my life and started up from there. 00:45:37.269 --> 00:45:42.489 Always been a horror game fan, always been a puzzle game fan and stuff. 00:45:42.489 --> 00:45:46.789 So yeah, pretty much like most of my life, I've been a gamer of some sort. 00:45:47.969 --> 00:45:58.429 Obviously, as you get as an adult, you don't get as many games, but I'm starting to get back into it now, because now I'm doing more game reviews and working with developers and stuff. 00:45:58.429 --> 00:46:01.889 So yeah, it's pretty much gaming most of my life. 00:46:03.929 --> 00:46:06.109 Awesome. 00:46:06.169 --> 00:46:13.189 Let's see, I definitely started off with like an original Nintendo for sure, was one of my first gaming platforms. 00:46:13.189 --> 00:46:17.309 I know I messed around with someone's Commodore 64 at one point in time. 00:46:17.309 --> 00:46:24.069 Like, I don't know where or how we had one, and I used to mess with it and think it was the coolest thing to be like, screen color blue. 00:46:24.069 --> 00:46:25.569 Oh, you know. 00:46:25.569 --> 00:46:40.989 And then our first home computer, I remember being a Packard Bell back in the day, like, original before it became Hewlett Packard and getting, like, Windows 95 and playing Doom on shareware. 00:46:40.989 --> 00:46:47.509 But I've always typically preferred consoles for the majority of my life until I got older and started feeling more confident with PCs. 00:46:47.509 --> 00:46:55.829 And now I play on literally everything, and I've been called, like, an Omnivore gamer because I play anything and everything as much as possible. 00:46:55.829 --> 00:47:00.409 But I do have a preference in joy with horror and the genre when it comes to video games. 00:47:01.709 --> 00:47:03.329 Awesome. 00:47:03.549 --> 00:47:13.949 And now the question is, what was the point of making the jump, taking over a magazine from another staff? 00:47:13.949 --> 00:47:16.349 I mean, that's quite an undertaking. 00:47:16.349 --> 00:47:37.189 I mean, the only thing I know is that you told me on Discord prior to the interview, you didn't like the printing quality and stuff and decided at some point you can improve the quality starting from Issue 2. 00:47:37.649 --> 00:47:42.929 But perhaps you can talk a bit about what led to that? 00:47:42.929 --> 00:47:43.809 Yeah. 00:47:43.809 --> 00:47:45.369 So this is the story. 00:47:45.369 --> 00:47:50.369 We were invited to contribute to the original Fearzine when it was started by the original creator. 00:47:50.369 --> 00:47:53.349 Both Maria and myself were brought on as writers. 00:47:53.349 --> 00:48:03.649 I was one of probably the ones who've written more for the original magazine, and I had some of our bigger previews with Howl Body and Ground Zero and that issue. 00:48:03.649 --> 00:48:09.469 Maria had plenty of contributions there and wrote some really cool pieces, especially one about the suffering. 00:48:09.609 --> 00:48:19.689 Then it took, I don't know, what was it, maybe nine months for Issue 1 to go from inception to delivery and actually getting it out. 00:48:19.689 --> 00:48:26.769 Then at that point, the original creator told everyone that he didn't want to continue running the magazine. 00:48:27.509 --> 00:48:32.229 He basically made it an open call to see if somebody else wanted to step in. 00:48:32.229 --> 00:48:35.529 That was one of the first people to chime in and be like, well, I don't want to see this go away. 00:48:35.529 --> 00:48:37.549 I don't want to see this die. 00:48:37.549 --> 00:48:41.049 But I also wasn't sure if I could take it on. 00:48:41.049 --> 00:48:45.869 I wasn't sure if I could handle it or be able to do it. 00:48:45.869 --> 00:48:52.089 That's where I conferred with my cohort here, Maria, and she was just like, you need to do it. 00:48:52.289 --> 00:48:53.169 Just shut up and do it. 00:48:53.169 --> 00:48:55.049 Like, you need to do this. 00:48:55.669 --> 00:48:59.049 I was like, as long as I have you along with me, Maria, I'm down. 00:48:59.049 --> 00:49:01.089 Let's do it. 00:49:01.089 --> 00:49:07.389 Interestingly, the person you are referring to, Sam Marshall, he isn't unknown in the scene. 00:49:07.389 --> 00:49:13.229 He's also co-creator of other magazines like the Reload magazine, for example. 00:49:14.329 --> 00:49:20.609 Perhaps he was a bit overloaded running three magazines at once or something. 00:49:21.169 --> 00:49:27.949 Well, he also does work with Perp Games and he also does Dos Man Games and stuff. 00:49:27.949 --> 00:49:30.469 So he moved more into the game development time. 00:49:31.289 --> 00:49:33.609 Running a magazine is a lot of work. 00:49:33.669 --> 00:49:40.049 So I can understand that it's just like when the other things take your priority, it's like, I can't handle this anymore. 00:49:40.049 --> 00:49:42.809 So it's like, it's nothing against him. 00:49:42.809 --> 00:49:44.629 It's just one of those, we understood it. 00:49:44.629 --> 00:49:47.449 So it's like, if your passion is not in it, then that's fine. 00:49:47.449 --> 00:49:48.909 He said, I don't want it to die either. 00:49:49.069 --> 00:49:53.269 So he was like, I want to give the call out to hand the keys over to someone. 00:49:53.269 --> 00:50:05.909 And that's when we were like, okay, we'll take it over because it's just, it's a lot of work and if you don't have the full dedication of it, you can't do it and you can't do it to the quality that you should be doing it. 00:50:05.909 --> 00:50:08.409 So it's better if you can stand down and let someone else do it. 00:50:08.409 --> 00:50:09.809 So I think that was the problem. 00:50:09.809 --> 00:50:14.809 It wasn't he abandoned ship, it was more that he had other things that he needed to focus on. 00:50:14.809 --> 00:50:17.869 Yeah, I wasn't trying to say anything beyond that. 00:50:18.029 --> 00:50:20.269 He just was offering for someone else to take it over. 00:50:20.589 --> 00:50:23.049 Like you said, he started doing other projects. 00:50:25.049 --> 00:50:31.349 It was just one of those things where I think he just felt it was better suited that somebody else take over things. 00:50:31.429 --> 00:50:40.449 Then when he essentially handed everything over to myself and Maria, that's where we took a hard evaluation of what the magazine was and where it was going. 00:50:40.509 --> 00:50:46.729 We said, well, if we're going to do this, let's do it the way we want and let's make it as awesome as we can possibly do it. 00:50:48.509 --> 00:50:55.009 As Maria always says, hold my beer, we went nuts and we're trying our best to make it as awesome as possible. 00:50:56.089 --> 00:51:14.689 Well, Jay and I, we are mostly coming from the Disk Magazine scene, and there are a lot of demo scene magazines, especially in the European scene, where they just stopped after the first issue being released because they were overwhelmed with how much it took to release the first issue. 00:51:15.249 --> 00:51:22.029 So it's actually a problem or an issue that I can understand, to be honest. 00:51:22.029 --> 00:51:24.749 So that's actually something that happens a lot. 00:51:25.989 --> 00:51:38.009 From our own experience, it's always a struggle to release the next issue, but it's always also a relief and a feeling of success when you finally did it. 00:51:39.869 --> 00:51:47.509 I saw the Kickstarters for the first and the current second issue, that it was actually pretty successful. 00:51:47.509 --> 00:51:53.969 People were not hesitant to back on the project. 00:51:53.969 --> 00:51:58.769 It's not like you almost or barely made it. 00:51:58.769 --> 00:52:08.289 It was actually a pretty good contribution, at least from my feeling as an outsider watching what's going on. 00:52:08.289 --> 00:52:09.889 We've seen pretty substantial growth. 00:52:10.449 --> 00:52:18.129 Yeah, like we pushed it real hard because we pushed our social medias and stuff. 00:52:18.129 --> 00:52:19.849 It tripled like three times. 00:52:20.269 --> 00:52:30.509 We had 300 followers on TwitterX at the time when we took it over, and we got 1500 by the time we made issue two. 00:52:30.509 --> 00:52:38.349 And so we knew that for this to be successful, we were going to have to push this really, really hard because it wasn't a fact that people didn't want the product. 00:52:38.449 --> 00:52:40.269 It's just people didn't know about us. 00:52:40.269 --> 00:52:44.529 And so we hit Twitter and the socials real hard. 00:52:44.529 --> 00:52:47.209 Like we were looking for developers. 00:52:47.209 --> 00:52:56.809 Like we would look for indie game developers and stuff, rather than waiting for them to come to us, we would search for them and pull them into the thing and be like, hey, we can help you, blah, blah, blah. 00:52:56.809 --> 00:53:06.689 So it became a source of we started building this community of we were supporting these developers and showing them that we cared about their projects and that we wanted to help elevate them. 00:53:07.109 --> 00:53:14.649 So it was so important for us to get a back in, knowing that if we were going to release Issue 2, we were going to have to get a backing. 00:53:14.649 --> 00:53:17.549 So we pushed it so hard. 00:53:17.929 --> 00:53:24.269 So that when we launched the Kickstarter, we knew we had a community behind us that wanted this to succeed. 00:53:24.269 --> 00:53:25.189 So yeah, that's what it was. 00:53:25.189 --> 00:53:30.069 It was just 24 hours of us just saying positive things on the Internet. 00:53:30.069 --> 00:53:31.149 Oh, your game is amazing. 00:53:31.149 --> 00:53:32.769 Oh, your game is amazing. 00:53:34.009 --> 00:53:35.229 But it was a genuine thing. 00:53:35.349 --> 00:53:37.629 We did play their games and we did find them amazing. 00:53:37.629 --> 00:53:41.289 So it wasn't just a false positives to get a community. 00:53:41.289 --> 00:53:43.749 It's like it was something we did believe in. 00:53:43.749 --> 00:53:46.989 And so that's something we had to do to make this a success. 00:53:46.989 --> 00:53:50.309 Because if we didn't, it wouldn't have made, it wouldn't have happened. 00:53:50.309 --> 00:53:52.669 And pretty much me and Dan were like, it's all or nothing. 00:53:52.669 --> 00:53:56.649 If we can't, if we can get issue two out, we can go on with this. 00:53:56.649 --> 00:53:58.529 If we can't, it's dead in the water. 00:53:58.529 --> 00:54:03.969 So basically, it was just basically, you know, do it or die, hold my beer. 00:54:07.369 --> 00:54:10.649 Now, perhaps a question to Dan. 00:54:10.649 --> 00:54:16.089 I guess the interesting part is, it's actually a physical magazine. 00:54:17.509 --> 00:54:39.989 So is that really worth it in 2025 where other magazines like other magazines in the gaming field are actually closing down because they are not able to gain enough readers anymore to... 00:54:40.009 --> 00:54:41.609 Not sustainable. 00:54:41.609 --> 00:54:43.189 Sustainable, exactly. 00:54:43.189 --> 00:54:44.189 That's the word, yeah. 00:54:44.189 --> 00:54:51.529 I think the answer that I want to hope and believe in is that this is opening the door for us because of these bigger magazines are shutting down. 00:54:51.529 --> 00:54:55.389 And I think people are going to have this realization of how much they appreciate it. 00:54:55.389 --> 00:54:58.629 It's much like DVDs are becoming super expensive. 00:54:58.689 --> 00:55:02.889 Physical games are becoming more rare and expensive when you do find them. 00:55:02.889 --> 00:55:10.209 And I think that we're jumping into an early starting point where we're very niche at the moment. 00:55:10.209 --> 00:55:19.389 But I think the more exposure we get and the more we establish ourselves, people are going to start to lean into it and realize that this is something that they like and they appreciate. 00:55:19.389 --> 00:55:28.869 But we're also trying to do it with an approach of a modern mindset of, how do you make a physical print magazine sustainable with technology the way it is nowadays? 00:55:28.869 --> 00:55:36.969 And the big focus going into the magazine when we built it was adding as much depth as possible, especially with QR codes. 00:55:36.969 --> 00:55:45.929 So every single game featured in the magazine has a QR code that you're able to scan and immediately link you to the game that we're talking about in some way. 00:55:45.929 --> 00:55:49.949 So that it's an instant gratification thing. 00:55:50.029 --> 00:55:53.189 You know, because that's what most people are used to now in the digital age. 00:55:53.189 --> 00:55:54.549 With a magazine, you don't have that. 00:55:55.129 --> 00:56:06.189 But it's also the ability to flip through the pages, see the layouts that we designed, read the words that we've written, and then scan that QR code and it takes you right to the page for that game. 00:56:06.189 --> 00:56:20.029 And you can buy it, support the developers, and if you've already bought the magazine, you're supporting us, but you're also supporting those developers by continuing our ability to share and then spread the messages and the words to everyone else. 00:56:22.209 --> 00:56:26.469 What is the business plan for the magazine? 00:56:26.469 --> 00:56:31.509 Because printing out a physical magazine and sending them out to people, that's not cheap in the long run. 00:56:31.509 --> 00:56:33.249 No, not at all. 00:56:33.249 --> 00:56:33.469 Yeah. 00:56:33.469 --> 00:56:34.789 So how does that work? 00:56:34.789 --> 00:56:39.329 Do you do advertisements or does the revenue come in? 00:56:39.329 --> 00:56:46.369 Currently, we're pretty much stuck to a Kickstarter model that we're working to get out of, relying on a Kickstarter model. 00:56:46.509 --> 00:56:55.989 So issue one was 100% dependent on Kickstarter, where the only people that received the magazine were people that backed the Kickstarter. 00:56:55.989 --> 00:56:59.029 And it made like just enough money. 00:56:59.029 --> 00:57:01.989 That issue, the first issue was very limited. 00:57:01.989 --> 00:57:06.649 There was maybe 50 copies, I think, give or take 60 copies. 00:57:06.649 --> 00:57:08.549 And that was kind of it. 00:57:08.549 --> 00:57:21.389 But with what we did in the marketing that we were doing, that positivity that we were pushing, which I was going to call this out for Maria, she's basically coined this term that we use now, horrifically wholesome. 00:57:21.389 --> 00:57:27.289 We call our community horrifically wholesome, because they're the nicest bunch of horror fans you've ever met. 00:57:27.289 --> 00:57:34.969 And it's something that we're continuously working on and developing the best way to make things as sustainable as possible. 00:57:36.409 --> 00:57:47.729 But our big challenge right now is continuing to provide the magazine in some way that helps us continue to make money and have revenue coming in so that we can continue to grow and expand. 00:57:47.729 --> 00:57:57.489 So again, the issue 2 Kickstarter was pretty much, we need to get the money first, then we create the magazine and then we ship the magazine. 00:57:57.489 --> 00:58:05.069 And we're asking, you know, not a small amount from our backers to enable us to do that. 00:58:05.069 --> 00:58:10.109 And we had certain tiers that were higher value that we would offer certain things. 00:58:10.109 --> 00:58:13.049 So we actually had like an advertisement tier in Kickstarter. 00:58:13.149 --> 00:58:21.589 So a developer could purchase the advertisement tier for more, and we would put an advertisement for their game in the magazine. 00:58:21.589 --> 00:58:23.689 And we've talked to some other partners. 00:58:23.689 --> 00:58:30.209 We've had a good relationship with Dread XP, which is a small indie publishing studio for horror games. 00:58:30.209 --> 00:58:38.129 They've been very helpful and they did help us a little bit financially with helping us kind of meet a little bit of extra in our Kickstarter. 00:58:39.289 --> 00:58:44.249 So we definitely are humbled and thank Dread XP for their assistance on that side. 00:58:44.249 --> 00:58:48.589 I say Dread XP, but it's more like Henry Hoare and Hunter over there. 00:58:48.589 --> 00:58:56.169 Those guys are the ones that have been really supportive of the project and want to see us grow and expand because they believe in what we're doing. 00:58:56.169 --> 00:59:01.789 So right now, our margins are real thin, but we've got a lot of interest. 00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:04.709 I'm at the point now where we've received all of our magazine. 00:59:04.709 --> 00:59:07.709 We've got all the prints from the Kickstarter. 00:59:08.189 --> 00:59:12.249 I'm in the process of getting these all packaged up and shipped out to our backers right now. 00:59:12.249 --> 00:59:16.569 Then I want to start printing more copies. 00:59:16.569 --> 00:59:26.029 But the problem with the printing ones is I don't have the money to get them printed because these were printed, but with the money the Kickstarter backers gave us, like this is 100 percent thanks to them. 00:59:26.029 --> 00:59:27.949 This one exists without them. 00:59:27.949 --> 00:59:30.569 It's from them that this exists. 00:59:30.569 --> 00:59:34.849 So going forward, we need to find a way to keep that moving forward. 00:59:37.069 --> 00:59:52.029 The cost and the expenses is we're looking at like a pre-order system, where maybe if we allow people to buy the magazine, but then we don't actually print them until we hit a certain threshold, that allows us to keep the cost down because if we buy in bulk, it's way cheaper. 00:59:52.029 --> 00:59:52.749 Right. 00:59:52.749 --> 00:59:57.569 If you buy one magazine at a time, it's really expensive and we make no money. 00:59:59.489 --> 01:00:10.509 Well, there's one example that I know from like 10 years ago, where I participate in the Kickstarter for the New Zealand magazine, Polytronic. 01:00:10.509 --> 01:00:17.649 And what they did do is they were like, okay, we are running this magazine for like six issues max. 01:00:17.649 --> 01:00:37.929 And they actually printed and shipped from Singapore to all over the world because it was cheaper to send the print data over the Internet to Singapore and let the Singaporean printing company ship out all the issues all over the world. 01:00:37.929 --> 01:00:42.969 So perhaps that's also a possibility to not do the logistics. 01:00:43.869 --> 01:00:46.449 It's like letting eBay handle your customs. 01:00:47.709 --> 01:00:49.649 Yeah, exactly. 01:00:49.649 --> 01:00:53.409 I mean, perhaps it's cheaper to actually outsource that. 01:00:53.409 --> 01:00:59.209 I mean, you have the advantage for Singapore, for example, that they also are native English speakers. 01:00:59.209 --> 01:01:05.309 So, but I guess nowadays there isn't so much of a language barrier anywhere. 01:01:05.309 --> 01:01:14.869 I'd have to look into that, do some research and see if it's still sustainable, because I feel that 10 years ago, shipping rates were probably a lot better than they are nowadays. 01:01:14.869 --> 01:01:20.409 So I don't know how the postal service in Singapore works now, but that's just my… 01:01:20.409 --> 01:01:27.729 I mean, unless they're able to print a magazine and ship it, like a cents of the dollar compared to now. 01:01:27.729 --> 01:01:28.929 That's what they actually did. 01:01:28.929 --> 01:01:32.829 They let the printing company also ship the magazine. 01:01:32.829 --> 01:01:33.849 The interesting… 01:01:33.849 --> 01:01:36.989 Is that like slave labor at that point? 01:01:36.989 --> 01:01:39.229 That's a real shady… 01:01:39.229 --> 01:01:43.969 If you're paying people pennies for their work, that's… 01:01:43.969 --> 01:01:49.989 Yeah, interestingly, the biggest issue was that the quality of the envelopes used was shit. 01:01:49.989 --> 01:01:51.849 So, suddenly, you… 01:01:51.849 --> 01:01:54.449 The little kids licking them right out of spit. 01:01:55.749 --> 01:01:59.569 So, sometimes, the magazine would… 01:02:01.289 --> 01:02:02.289 I don't know… 01:02:02.289 --> 01:02:04.509 I mean, all things… 01:02:04.509 --> 01:02:13.089 The whole thing is like, if we were able to get ourselves big enough and get enough exposure where we could print in much larger volumes, the cost get really low. 01:02:13.089 --> 01:02:18.189 And that's where we're hoping to get to in the future is printing thousands of copies. 01:02:18.189 --> 01:02:37.789 Because if we're printing thousands of copies, each magazine only costs a couple of dollars if that's print, and we're able to make a solid profit that we can then use to continue to grow and expand the company and do more and offer more and all the other things and dreams that we have cooked up that we want to start doing. 01:02:37.789 --> 01:02:52.009 Well, we have actually a distribution in the UK, you know, so we do actually have someone who is connected to Royal Mail, so we actually use the UK printing service and directly ship to him, and then he distributes for Europe. 01:02:52.009 --> 01:02:59.609 So that put the cost down quite a bit for us, and so that's better than us shipping from the US, which is astronomically expensive. 01:02:59.609 --> 01:03:00.489 I know, yeah. 01:03:00.489 --> 01:03:00.909 Yeah. 01:03:00.909 --> 01:03:02.749 Yeah, that was a key thing. 01:03:02.749 --> 01:03:16.589 We do have connections there, so that's something as well that like, when we started taking this magazine on, we had such a good reaction with people coming to us and going, hey, we can help you with this, we can help you with that. 01:03:16.589 --> 01:03:22.869 And so there's a lot of people with interests that we feel like there is a market for it. 01:03:22.869 --> 01:03:31.489 And there's a lot of people that are coming in and saying, like, we want to help you with this and giving us advice, because like Debug Magazine is a physical indie gaming magazine. 01:03:31.489 --> 01:03:33.929 And they're basically doing the same thing we are. 01:03:33.929 --> 01:03:38.509 And they're on like their seventh issue now, and they sell thousands of copies. 01:03:38.509 --> 01:03:40.769 So it is a viable thing. 01:03:40.769 --> 01:03:47.829 And I feel like with us, like people say, why would you make a physical magazine in this day and age where physical magazines are shutting down? 01:03:47.829 --> 01:03:51.109 Well, it's also like, if you buy it, you own it. 01:03:51.109 --> 01:03:54.889 You know, it's not on a service, and it's not something that can get deleted. 01:03:54.889 --> 01:03:56.049 Once you have it, you have it. 01:03:56.049 --> 01:04:03.729 And that's something that we're going on that, you know, devs can get their games printed in a physical media, and it's there forever. 01:04:03.729 --> 01:04:10.109 You know, it doesn't get, you know, shelved or deleted when the website goes down or something. 01:04:10.469 --> 01:04:17.309 And so we also would like to do, you know, demo disks, like from the old, like those PlayStation magazines you'd got. 01:04:17.309 --> 01:04:20.069 Like people loved those where it was like you'd get a magazine. 01:04:20.069 --> 01:04:26.449 So we're kind of pushing on that nostalgia feeling a little bit where people are like, oh, man, this reminds me of 90s gaming mags. 01:04:26.449 --> 01:04:28.389 And it's like, yeah, it does. 01:04:28.389 --> 01:04:31.849 I mean, we have the digital version as well. 01:04:31.849 --> 01:04:44.169 So it exists in digital form, but I feel like there's something about having it in your hand and having that just, like the devs are just like, oh, my game is in physical print. 01:04:44.169 --> 01:04:46.369 So them it's like a massive thing that they've just like. 01:04:46.369 --> 01:04:47.509 Especially nowadays. 01:04:47.669 --> 01:04:49.269 Yeah, like they've made it. 01:04:49.269 --> 01:04:53.449 They're like, oh, my game is getting featured with Silent Hill 2 in a magazine and stuff. 01:04:53.449 --> 01:04:55.669 And so it's just this big deal. 01:04:55.669 --> 01:05:01.609 And so I feel like that we have a community of developers now that are back in the project and they're invested in it. 01:05:01.609 --> 01:05:03.609 And so I feel like we've issue free. 01:05:03.609 --> 01:05:06.629 A lot of them are gonna be like, we wanna see you to succeed. 01:05:06.629 --> 01:05:11.609 So we're doing it for them and we're giving them a platform and this is something they've never had. 01:05:11.609 --> 01:05:17.309 So it's basically like they're rallying behind us and going, well, we'll do whatever we need to do to make this succeed. 01:05:17.309 --> 01:05:19.749 So it's kind of getting this community behind us. 01:05:19.749 --> 01:05:24.329 So yeah, it's kind of like we're going against the grain with what we're trying to do. 01:05:24.329 --> 01:05:27.609 And people are like, why would you make a physical magazine in this day and age? 01:05:27.609 --> 01:05:29.629 It's like, why not? 01:05:29.629 --> 01:05:32.429 So, you know, and we're not losing anything. 01:05:32.429 --> 01:05:40.689 As long as we ain't losing money, you know, it's like, it's been funded by Kickstarter and as long as we can keep it going, we'll keep it going. 01:05:40.689 --> 01:05:42.649 And there is a demand for sure. 01:05:42.649 --> 01:05:44.229 There is, yeah. 01:05:44.309 --> 01:05:49.329 Are you looking at a, obviously not right now, it isn't. 01:05:49.329 --> 01:05:52.129 Like the first issue I think was released in May, am I right? 01:05:52.129 --> 01:05:53.289 May? 01:05:53.289 --> 01:05:53.969 February. 01:05:53.969 --> 01:05:54.549 February. 01:05:54.829 --> 01:05:55.809 Oh, February, okay. 01:05:55.809 --> 01:05:56.369 Yeah, yeah. 01:05:56.369 --> 01:05:58.609 I don't know where May came from. 01:05:58.609 --> 01:06:03.389 And now you're getting the second issue is, you've got that and you're sending that out. 01:06:03.389 --> 01:06:04.729 Yeah, I'll be shipping those out very soon. 01:06:05.329 --> 01:06:14.069 Are you guys looking to eventually hit like a schedule of like, twice a year or seasonally or however it's going to be done? 01:06:14.069 --> 01:06:21.569 Yeah, we were going into 2025 with the hopes and intentions that we would go quarterly, but that's probably going to get pushed back a little bit. 01:06:21.569 --> 01:06:34.929 Not to say that we can't keep it quarterly, but not quite on the timeline we were hoping for, but that's mostly due to the setbacks that we had with issue two, because issue two got delayed longer than we would have hoped because of certain factors here and there. 01:06:34.929 --> 01:06:40.509 This is also the first time we made a magazine ever. 01:06:40.509 --> 01:06:44.229 Me and Maria have never made a magazine before. 01:06:44.229 --> 01:06:48.429 We learned how to do it together over the past six months. 01:06:48.429 --> 01:07:06.969 There was a lot of hurdles that we now understand and know better, and things will get smoother and easier for us going forward, and we'll be able to hit faster timelines and deadlines, and we've got a way better approach already going into the next issue, and we already expect a much faster turnaround. 01:07:06.969 --> 01:07:12.469 Well, it was also just like when we took this over, we didn't know what we were doing at all. 01:07:12.689 --> 01:07:13.429 So it was a- 01:07:13.429 --> 01:07:14.949 It's always the best. 01:07:15.869 --> 01:07:18.169 Mag, Kickstarter. 01:07:18.169 --> 01:07:19.409 Yeah. 01:07:20.289 --> 01:07:24.589 I was like, Dan, take this over, and he's like, all right, let's call, and I said, I'll support you. 01:07:24.589 --> 01:07:26.449 It's like, all right, we have a magazine. 01:07:26.449 --> 01:07:28.229 How do we make one? 01:07:28.469 --> 01:07:30.509 And it's like, guess we have to learn. 01:07:30.509 --> 01:07:33.829 We learn in design and affinity publisher ourselves. 01:07:33.829 --> 01:07:35.229 We don't have any experience. 01:07:35.229 --> 01:07:36.889 We learnt the entire thing. 01:07:36.889 --> 01:07:41.889 All of those layouts that you see in the magazine, we made them, all of it, me and Dan, together. 01:07:41.889 --> 01:07:44.429 Maria and I made everything in here. 01:07:44.429 --> 01:07:47.189 I've wrote almost half of the articles in that magazine. 01:07:47.689 --> 01:07:48.409 It's me and him. 01:07:48.409 --> 01:07:50.569 We call ourselves the Army of Two. 01:07:51.229 --> 01:07:55.589 It's basically, from start to finish, it was me and him that made it. 01:07:56.349 --> 01:07:57.529 We learnt a lot. 01:07:57.929 --> 01:08:00.129 Going forward, we know what to expect. 01:08:00.589 --> 01:08:05.269 The way we look at it, as long as me and Dan are on the project, this magazine will come out. 01:08:05.489 --> 01:08:07.549 That's good to hear. 01:08:07.549 --> 01:08:08.329 It will come out. 01:08:08.929 --> 01:08:14.129 We have a promise that we will make it, whether it's me and him doing it ourselves, it will happen. 01:08:15.449 --> 01:08:21.489 While we want to grow the team, we've got a lot more writers now, we've got a lot more people coming on board. 01:08:21.489 --> 01:08:23.429 But it's me and him that are basically guaranteed. 01:08:23.429 --> 01:08:27.469 Regardless, at the end of the day, if no one else does it, we're doing it. 01:08:27.469 --> 01:08:28.469 It's going to come out. 01:08:28.469 --> 01:08:33.629 That's a promise that Fearzine will live, as long as one of us doesn't get hit by a car. 01:08:33.629 --> 01:08:34.829 We're okay. 01:08:34.829 --> 01:08:35.209 Awesome. 01:08:35.209 --> 01:08:36.729 Yeah, let's hope so. 01:08:36.729 --> 01:08:37.169 Yeah. 01:08:37.169 --> 01:08:39.209 Or has a tree fall in your house? 01:08:39.209 --> 01:08:39.609 Yeah. 01:08:39.729 --> 01:08:42.289 My house basically got destroyed at Christmas time. 01:08:44.129 --> 01:08:47.169 I'm in temporary accommodation right now, but Fearzine lives. 01:08:48.489 --> 01:08:48.729 Yeah. 01:08:48.729 --> 01:08:52.389 As long as the Internet works, you are there. 01:08:52.389 --> 01:08:53.049 Yeah. 01:08:53.049 --> 01:09:05.809 Well, that was actually one of my first feedbacks to Dan, when I saw the second issue, I was like, you did really do a step up on the quality of Refuse and the layout. 01:09:06.909 --> 01:09:15.929 So it's amazing saying it's your first time and learning everything that you actually managed to improve over the first issue regardless. 01:09:15.929 --> 01:09:16.709 Yes. 01:09:16.709 --> 01:09:17.689 Thank you. 01:09:18.469 --> 01:09:19.589 That was a big thing for me. 01:09:20.089 --> 01:09:27.989 We sold three times as many, we grew the community three times as many, like it was a massive success and it literally was. 01:09:28.649 --> 01:09:33.109 It's just us and people don't realize, they think we're a small team or an office. 01:09:33.409 --> 01:09:36.029 No, it's me and Dan, that's it. 01:09:36.029 --> 01:09:37.789 This is the right. 01:09:37.789 --> 01:09:38.669 This is Fearzine. 01:09:38.669 --> 01:09:40.589 You're talking to him right now. 01:09:40.589 --> 01:09:41.209 Right. 01:09:42.209 --> 01:09:55.629 But if you talk about growing and having a staff and so on, and not this being a hobby, but a commercial project, you also run into the issue. 01:09:55.629 --> 01:09:58.729 I think I asked Dan about this on Discord once. 01:09:59.269 --> 01:10:05.989 How do you plan to sustain a staff? 01:10:05.989 --> 01:10:16.709 I mean, people obviously they want, I don't know how it is, probably something like payment per word or something, or per page. 01:10:16.709 --> 01:10:21.049 I don't know how it goes in the publishing world. 01:10:21.049 --> 01:10:25.349 But I guess that is also the problem in the long run. 01:10:26.169 --> 01:10:32.449 Well, we always, we started this project with, you will get paid something. 01:10:32.449 --> 01:10:33.669 It might not be a lot. 01:10:33.669 --> 01:10:37.849 It will be, we don't want to have people working for free. 01:10:37.849 --> 01:10:38.829 That's, we've done it. 01:10:39.529 --> 01:10:40.629 It's not viable. 01:10:40.629 --> 01:10:45.029 And it's like, people's passion only pays so much. 01:10:45.029 --> 01:10:49.549 And eventually people are like, this is a, I call it feeding the machine. 01:10:49.809 --> 01:10:51.129 It's like you're just feeding the machine. 01:10:51.129 --> 01:10:52.649 You're not getting anything back in return. 01:10:53.209 --> 01:11:00.689 And so it might be a case of like, I don't know, one cent a word or it might start off low, but you will get something. 01:11:00.689 --> 01:11:08.009 And as we grow, we can give you more, but it's, we're not going to start out with, oh, you're going to do it through the love of it. 01:11:08.009 --> 01:11:08.629 No. 01:11:08.629 --> 01:11:09.969 The exposure, the exposure. 01:11:09.969 --> 01:11:10.809 Sorry. 01:11:10.809 --> 01:11:17.409 I'm never going to pay anyone an exposure because I've been put on that hook before and it's never rewarding. 01:11:17.409 --> 01:11:19.289 I don't like people dangling carrots to me. 01:11:19.289 --> 01:11:20.049 I don't like people. 01:11:20.409 --> 01:11:21.209 I'm an artist. 01:11:21.929 --> 01:11:28.589 I've been paid an exposure many times and so it doesn't put food on my table. 01:11:28.589 --> 01:11:31.009 I'm paying myself an exposure right now. 01:11:31.009 --> 01:11:32.589 Yeah, exactly. 01:11:32.589 --> 01:11:41.409 We went into this with the full process of like, anyone that comes on board, we're like, the pay isn't much, but we will give you something. 01:11:41.409 --> 01:11:42.629 We'll give you something. 01:11:42.629 --> 01:11:48.169 We'll give you something and with the promise that the more it does, the more you'll get paid as it goes on. 01:11:48.309 --> 01:11:54.069 But we are, it's definitely not a, oh, do it through love because love doesn't pay the bill. 01:11:54.069 --> 01:11:55.189 I'm sorry. 01:11:56.569 --> 01:12:05.369 I do want to touch on that too, because for anyone who's listening, if you are interested in working with us, this is where it's at right now. 01:12:05.369 --> 01:12:08.449 We only make the money that we've made off of Kickstarter right now. 01:12:08.449 --> 01:12:15.749 So we don't have a lot of money, but any money that we make that's not used to actually produce the magazine is what's paid to our staff. 01:12:16.029 --> 01:12:22.189 Our staff makes what's left over from the production cost, and that's where we will decide pay rates from there. 01:12:22.189 --> 01:12:28.109 Everyone will be getting paid equally at this point, just based on how much they've actually contributed, such as word counts. 01:12:28.109 --> 01:12:40.409 But we have the complete, utter desire and sense that when we're able to, we can start setting pay rates when we start making more money. 01:12:40.409 --> 01:12:50.649 Then there's also the more people that buy the magazine, the more money we will pay our staff, the more money we will pay our contributors and our writers and anyone else who contributes. 01:12:50.649 --> 01:12:54.729 We will always bring it down the line to everyone. 01:12:54.729 --> 01:12:59.349 The more money that we earn for the magazine goes to everyone who worked on it. 01:12:59.349 --> 01:13:05.909 It's like I'm literally not paying myself for this magazine so that everyone else can get as much as possible. 01:13:06.289 --> 01:13:10.009 Basically, our writers, it comes first, the people contribute. 01:13:10.009 --> 01:13:16.629 If there's anything left over, we'll deviate out between the rest of the staff or anything who goes into the project. 01:13:16.629 --> 01:13:20.509 But me and Dan are not benefiting from this really at all. 01:13:21.469 --> 01:13:24.349 The writers come first and the people to contribute come first. 01:13:25.229 --> 01:13:31.269 We actually give our writers a copy of the digital magazine for free. 01:13:31.269 --> 01:13:35.229 Also, so they can put on a portfolio and say, I wrote for a magazine, here's a thing. 01:13:35.829 --> 01:13:37.649 It might help people get a job. 01:13:37.649 --> 01:13:41.029 It has for me before because you can go, you got published. 01:13:41.249 --> 01:13:49.129 It's like you give them something to say, here's a part for your portfolio, like this is you in a magazine, it looks good, the magazine looks cool. 01:13:49.129 --> 01:13:50.909 People are like, this is awesome. 01:13:51.689 --> 01:13:53.149 We're giving them something back. 01:13:53.449 --> 01:13:57.729 It definitely isn't a do it for the love, because that's bullshit, sorry. 01:13:57.729 --> 01:14:05.289 And that's the other thing too, that anyone will tell you that being printed is so much more meaningful than being digitally out there. 01:14:05.289 --> 01:14:07.929 Like I wrote digitally online for years. 01:14:07.929 --> 01:14:17.609 The first time I ever saw my words appear printed on a magazine, it was just like, oh my God, this is like a whole another level of like, oh my God, this is me, this is a thing. 01:14:17.609 --> 01:14:21.069 And now this is a thing that I did that has my name on it. 01:14:21.069 --> 01:14:25.809 And ah, like it's a physical, tangible thing that I can hold. 01:14:27.029 --> 01:14:28.069 Yeah. 01:14:28.069 --> 01:14:30.629 Hey, Jörg, you mind if I write for another magazine? 01:14:33.389 --> 01:14:36.489 I mean, I was also asked if I can contribute. 01:14:36.969 --> 01:14:39.689 That's how I got to know them. 01:14:39.909 --> 01:14:47.389 The problem is, and I tackled this before the interview with Maria shortly, while you were troubleshooting, Dan. 01:14:47.389 --> 01:14:57.209 That is the question, how much do you cover of the horror genre? 01:14:57.209 --> 01:15:12.449 Because, for example, when we released this, we had an interview prior to the head of the company that is actually working on a new, a vampire story successor. 01:15:12.449 --> 01:15:17.729 Now the thing is, it is, it's called a vampire story. 01:15:17.729 --> 01:15:20.109 Yeah, but is that horror, or is it? 01:15:20.109 --> 01:15:21.869 Yeah, just wanted to say. 01:15:21.869 --> 01:15:23.749 I'm okay with things that are horror-adjacent. 01:15:23.749 --> 01:15:27.949 It's more comedic horror, not really scary horror. 01:15:27.949 --> 01:15:33.389 And Maria, perhaps you can repeat it slightly. 01:15:33.849 --> 01:15:39.929 You actually said you are not so stiff on the definition of horror, right? 01:15:39.929 --> 01:15:51.929 It's basically, if it has any aspects of horror, like I mean, Scooby-Doo can be horror, you know, it doesn't have to be disgusting, vile, you know, the cult of the land is horror. 01:15:51.929 --> 01:15:54.569 Yeah, so I like it really, really bad. 01:15:54.569 --> 01:15:55.669 Most gruesome, the worst. 01:15:55.669 --> 01:15:57.289 I'm basically a serial killer. 01:15:57.289 --> 01:16:02.269 But like, if it's got, like Luigi's Mansion can be classed as a horror game. 01:16:02.389 --> 01:16:20.769 So we want to cover all aspects of like, if it's got slight, you know, there's a borderline to it where it's like, oh, if it's a murder mystery game, it's like, okay, it might be a little bit on the edge, but it's like, it can, it's down to the discretion of like, yeah, I mean, it's such a broad horizon. 01:16:20.769 --> 01:16:22.229 It doesn't have to be the worst. 01:16:22.229 --> 01:16:22.609 It can be just... 01:16:22.609 --> 01:16:27.889 I want to go as far as saying like, I'm open to anything if you can give me a good angle on it. 01:16:27.889 --> 01:16:40.329 If you can give me a good pitch to like, that really emphasizes the aspects and elements of what could be considered horror or at least entertaining or enjoyable to someone who is more of the horror mindset and focus. 01:16:40.329 --> 01:16:44.789 Cause like Maria mentioned, like Luigi's Mansion and Call to the Lamb, these are cute horror. 01:16:44.789 --> 01:16:49.509 There's cute horror, there's funny horror, there's hidey horror. 01:16:49.509 --> 01:16:54.049 There's so many little like subcategories within categories when it comes to the genre of horror. 01:16:54.049 --> 01:16:56.869 And that's what's great about it. 01:16:56.869 --> 01:16:59.089 I don't like hidey horror games. 01:16:59.329 --> 01:17:06.229 I'm not going to play them, but I don't think that I'm not going to not cover them though, because I know there's lots of people who do like those games. 01:17:06.229 --> 01:17:12.549 I don't like the asymmetrical horror games like Dead by Daylight, but so many people love those games. 01:17:12.549 --> 01:17:14.869 So absolutely, we need to talk about it. 01:17:14.869 --> 01:17:16.969 I want to talk about all of them. 01:17:16.969 --> 01:17:19.229 The magazine is called Fearzine. 01:17:19.229 --> 01:17:25.189 So it's horror, but it's also any kind of fear related stuff. 01:17:25.189 --> 01:17:31.569 So like you're saying, vampires, werewolves, anything that's kind of in that spooky, spooky, it can be covered. 01:17:31.569 --> 01:17:33.029 And so we want to cover... 01:17:33.069 --> 01:17:34.989 I mean, we covered Cabernet. 01:17:34.989 --> 01:17:35.549 Exactly. 01:17:35.549 --> 01:17:35.769 Yeah. 01:17:35.769 --> 01:17:36.429 We want to make it... 01:17:36.429 --> 01:17:39.269 We had that were cleaner, the little cute werewolf. 01:17:39.269 --> 01:17:40.969 That's super cute horror game. 01:17:40.969 --> 01:17:41.589 So exactly. 01:17:41.589 --> 01:17:46.069 So yeah, anything that can be cast as a horror game. 01:17:46.289 --> 01:17:54.509 So perhaps that is where I could contribute, because obviously for the interview, I already did all the research. 01:17:54.509 --> 01:18:08.789 But then I'm not doing anything with the research, other than asking our guests, but I never wrote it down in form of text, like, hey, this is the background story of this and that series. 01:18:08.789 --> 01:18:34.829 And interestingly, for example, for the vampires' story, it's actually that Bill Taylor, who used to work for Lucas Film Games, Lucas Arts and later on, also for, if I'm not mistaken, also Sierra Online, that he lost the rights to the IP and regained it back two years ago. 01:18:34.829 --> 01:18:43.369 And that is now why he can actually finish the story, because the first part actually had an open ending. 01:18:43.369 --> 01:18:49.529 So perhaps an article about the background about that could be something I could contribute, because... 01:18:49.529 --> 01:18:54.769 That would be like an interesting, like a franchise deep dive, a retrospective. 01:18:54.769 --> 01:19:08.649 Right, right, a retrospective that is with like 15 years in between the first and the second part, because many games just die because of franchise problems. 01:19:09.489 --> 01:19:10.529 Yes. 01:19:10.529 --> 01:19:15.489 And so perhaps that is something I could shed a light on, because I did all the research. 01:19:16.669 --> 01:19:22.869 And that's something that like we are looking into for issue three as well, which we're bringing on a lot of more diverse writers. 01:19:22.869 --> 01:19:27.529 Issue two is very review preview heavy, because it was just me and Dan. 01:19:27.529 --> 01:19:51.009 But this one, we're doing these op-ed things where we're bringing in people to give their insights into making music for games, making this, we're doing a lot of dev stories where it's like bring your opinions in, bring your experience, because the idea as well is we would like to have people read this magazine and maybe be inspired that if they wanted to get into the game industry, like how do you do it? 01:19:51.009 --> 01:19:56.909 There's many aspects of game industry that's beyond making games or art, there's loads. 01:19:56.909 --> 01:20:01.969 So it's like if people can read it and go, that's interesting, or a point of view from someone in the industry. 01:20:01.969 --> 01:20:05.029 So yes, something like what you're doing is an interesting read. 01:20:05.329 --> 01:20:10.949 I wrote for Issue 1, I did an article and it was like banned to the bone. 01:20:10.949 --> 01:20:16.549 It was just basically about censorship of games around the world and how they were banned and how these days it looks. 01:20:16.549 --> 01:20:19.729 It's kind of, yeah, there you go. 01:20:19.729 --> 01:20:22.849 How it's just kind of like weak source now. 01:20:22.849 --> 01:20:24.189 We're just like, why did you ban that? 01:20:24.229 --> 01:20:26.509 But back then, it was bad. 01:20:26.509 --> 01:20:28.549 It was this censorship. 01:20:28.549 --> 01:20:37.669 So yeah, we're looking for different voices in gaming and we're looking for these different articles that can explain the history of gaming and how it came about. 01:20:37.669 --> 01:20:43.189 And so yeah, that's definitely a place to, it's not just all about reviews and previews of games. 01:20:43.189 --> 01:20:47.829 We want insights and people's opinions on the gaming industry as a whole. 01:20:47.829 --> 01:20:50.129 Like as long as it's kind of horror related. 01:20:50.129 --> 01:20:51.169 Yeah, definitely. 01:20:51.929 --> 01:20:58.389 Yeah, I mean, even still, like we have our own developers that we've been covering, and not all those developers strictly make horror games. 01:20:58.409 --> 01:20:59.129 Okay. 01:20:59.269 --> 01:21:11.209 You know, so developers, you know, then they may make like a multiplayer shooter, and then they make a horror game, or they make a horror game, and then they go on to make a Zelda like, you know, there's no hard line there. 01:21:11.209 --> 01:21:20.309 And to kind of self promote a little bit here, I'm currently working on my own podcast that I'm calling Building Horror, where I talk to developers of horror games. 01:21:20.849 --> 01:21:47.049 And a lot of that conversation that I end up having with them is trying to humanize developers, especially because a lot of people are so used to video games as being this thing that is suddenly there for them, and they don't think about the process and the people behind creating these things, and discussing this with the developers, talking about their origins, how they got in the game design, why they got in the game design, their biggest influences. 01:21:47.049 --> 01:22:00.249 Most of the time, we're not talking about horror strictly, but it's a lot of what leans in to it, or weaves around into that path, and then I'll bring it around and be like, you know, let's talk about like your favorite horror game, or like the things, what we love about their game. 01:22:00.249 --> 01:22:07.849 And, you know, we're trying to talk about their big project that they have now, or a game that they just released, and help promote that project. 01:22:07.849 --> 01:22:10.309 And I'm like, I'm really excited to get those out there. 01:22:10.429 --> 01:22:13.169 I love these conversations I've been having with some developers. 01:22:13.169 --> 01:22:20.489 I've got a really cool lineup already, and people who've signed on to do this podcast with me, and I love hearing their stories. 01:22:20.489 --> 01:22:25.369 I love exploring these backgrounds of these developers. 01:22:25.369 --> 01:22:33.809 And I hope that other people will find them as fascinating as I do, and want to listen to these shows, as well as the articles we're going to write. 01:22:33.809 --> 01:22:36.549 And we're asking some of the developers to write articles. 01:22:36.549 --> 01:22:40.909 Give us a deep dive on a specific topic that you're really interested in. 01:22:40.909 --> 01:22:43.229 We already have one lined up for issue three. 01:22:43.229 --> 01:22:50.609 A developer is going to write an article for us about developing like old school games for the Sega Mega Drive slash Genesis. 01:22:51.709 --> 01:22:55.609 And I think that's like some of the coolest stuff that we can do. 01:22:55.609 --> 01:22:56.589 It's interesting. 01:22:56.589 --> 01:23:02.169 So perhaps there is something I could write about if it's not strictly fearful horror. 01:23:03.369 --> 01:23:04.769 It's interesting, of course. 01:23:04.769 --> 01:23:05.669 There's always options. 01:23:05.669 --> 01:23:08.109 There's always room. 01:23:08.109 --> 01:23:19.129 Yeah, because you know, when Alex asked me, my first thought was like I don't want to purely recycle what I already did for Scene World, you know? 01:23:19.389 --> 01:23:19.909 I don't think... 01:23:19.909 --> 01:23:22.229 Yeah, we would ask that you don't do something like that. 01:23:22.229 --> 01:23:33.489 We don't want to have any kind of rehashing or reiterating, because we want our content to be as bespoke as possible, not to mention, like we want it to be something that somebody else hasn't seen before. 01:23:33.489 --> 01:23:37.469 And this is something that I've been pushing with our writers recently, is give me... 01:23:38.509 --> 01:23:41.169 Like, put yourself in your writing, you know? 01:23:41.169 --> 01:23:44.449 We want people to understand you as a writer. 01:23:44.449 --> 01:23:52.009 It's not about being like hyperfactual, or you're not turning in a thesis paper for a degree program. 01:23:52.009 --> 01:24:07.389 You're telling a story, or you're telling your opinion on something, and you're trying to give the reader a different POV or insight, something that gives added value to the topic and what you're talking about, especially if you're like super passionate about it. 01:24:07.389 --> 01:24:25.489 And this is where I've been seeing a lot of great responses from our writers, that they're coming at things with their passion, especially when it comes to things that are like, it might not be the horror video game specifically, but it's something that has to do with it or relate to it, especially for them personally, and how it intertwines with their lives. 01:24:25.489 --> 01:24:31.009 You know, you never know what you're going to get when you give people the freedom to write like that. 01:24:31.009 --> 01:24:32.449 Okay, interesting, interesting. 01:24:32.549 --> 01:24:38.289 Yeah, it's also interesting what Maria just mentioned with censorship. 01:24:38.289 --> 01:25:00.169 I just learned two weeks ago that the game yesterday, which is a point-and-click adventure, a thriller, a murder thriller point-and-click adventure, that actually in Germany, for example, it was rated for 16 plus, so 16 years or older. 01:25:00.169 --> 01:25:16.469 But for the re-release on Steam and GoG, they actually removed a screaming and blood scene where somebody was murdered, because they found it was too horror-like for Steam and GoG. 01:25:18.589 --> 01:25:32.549 The thing is, by censorshiping it later on for the digital re-release, they actually broke the soundtrack, so the voice acting and so on. 01:25:32.549 --> 01:25:38.729 So they actually partly broke the game by doing this censorship in a wrong way. 01:25:38.729 --> 01:25:48.329 So that would also be an interesting perspective, like belated censorship while breaking games that were originally- 01:25:48.329 --> 01:25:55.369 You can also look at censorship across the world, because censorship is different in different parts of the world, especially in Germany over there. 01:25:55.369 --> 01:26:01.769 I know they censorship violence and gore very heavily over there, but not nudity. 01:26:01.769 --> 01:26:05.049 In America, nudity is heavily censored. 01:26:05.049 --> 01:26:05.669 Which is- 01:26:05.669 --> 01:26:07.729 We don't care about violence and gore though. 01:26:07.729 --> 01:26:10.269 Your intestines could be hanging out, but don't show a boob. 01:26:10.969 --> 01:26:12.969 Murders find boobs back. 01:26:12.969 --> 01:26:13.789 Exactly. 01:26:13.789 --> 01:26:23.309 Which is why on Steam, as a German, you can't get any game having nudity. 01:26:23.609 --> 01:26:25.809 It's not displaying in the region. 01:26:25.809 --> 01:26:28.969 Despite by law, it would be possible. 01:26:30.429 --> 01:26:31.669 It's so weird. 01:26:31.669 --> 01:26:32.829 Yeah, yeah. 01:26:33.329 --> 01:26:47.769 And for, you know, Second World War science and so on, that was actually just lifted 2017, if I'm not mistaken. 01:26:47.769 --> 01:26:49.849 So not so long ago. 01:26:49.849 --> 01:27:01.909 And it's interesting that because of this, for example, Wolfenstein too would actually have a re-release. 01:27:02.949 --> 01:27:11.409 So if you buy it in Germany off Steam, you actually get the German uncensored version as well. 01:27:11.409 --> 01:27:18.989 Which is super weird because some people, like from Ukraine and so on, asked how they can get it outside of Germany. 01:27:19.129 --> 01:27:25.369 And you can't because it's automatically added when you are in Germany. 01:27:25.369 --> 01:27:27.589 But if you're outside of Germany, it's not. 01:27:27.589 --> 01:27:31.269 So yeah, perhaps that's also article versity. 01:27:31.269 --> 01:27:35.569 Now you're giving me ideas what I could write about. 01:27:35.929 --> 01:27:39.209 It's kind of a unique perspective that we wouldn't know. 01:27:39.209 --> 01:27:47.949 So it's definitely things that we, it's stuff that you can write and it's stuff that, people would be interested to read that because people would go, I didn't know that was a thing. 01:27:48.469 --> 01:27:59.289 I didn't know, I know it's a thing, but a lot of people reading game is like, I didn't know Germany had these rules, I didn't know the UK is pretty big with censorship, they go crazy with it. 01:27:59.489 --> 01:28:05.329 But it's just if you don't know these things, so having these different voices around the world, that can give you an insight into that. 01:28:05.329 --> 01:28:14.849 It just makes the whole, kind of brings the gaming community together and gets people talking, really, because you get to know what different restrictions that are around the world. 01:28:16.369 --> 01:28:39.289 And here's the best thing about Wolfenstein 2 on the Switch, for example, because there are two versions, as I just said, an uncensored version of German, and a censored version of German, and the uncensored version is actually meant for Austria, which also speaks German, and the German part of Switzerland. 01:28:39.289 --> 01:28:50.049 But when those physical retail copies were sold out, they actually sent those customers the censored version. 01:28:50.049 --> 01:29:03.549 So, yeah, perhaps, so I know a little bit of such things because I make research, mainly for the interviews of the podcast, but I never do anything with what I learned. 01:29:03.549 --> 01:29:05.969 So perhaps that's an option. 01:29:06.109 --> 01:29:10.809 So now you mentioned your community and the readership and everything. 01:29:11.469 --> 01:29:14.869 How is the interaction with your community? 01:29:15.229 --> 01:29:17.129 It's very positive. 01:29:18.789 --> 01:29:25.069 We base our interactions on positivity and stuff like, our discourse is very about like, and it's not false positivity. 01:29:25.069 --> 01:29:30.089 We're not like, oh, you have to be nice all the time, but we're just like, be supportive. 01:29:31.929 --> 01:29:33.909 You could be constructive criticism of things. 01:29:33.909 --> 01:29:38.589 You don't have to like everything, but we always just say, come at something with construct. 01:29:38.589 --> 01:29:40.189 Don't just be a hater for being a hater. 01:29:40.289 --> 01:29:42.269 We don't tolerate it. 01:29:43.509 --> 01:29:47.749 If we're reviewing games for our magazine, if we don't like the game, we ain't going to review it. 01:29:47.749 --> 01:29:52.029 We only review stuff that we like, but we'll be honest about it and say, we ain't reviewing this. 01:29:52.029 --> 01:29:52.629 We don't like it. 01:29:52.629 --> 01:29:54.329 We think it's trash. 01:29:55.129 --> 01:29:58.329 But it's all about positivity and we're always reaching out. 01:29:58.329 --> 01:30:06.149 On our Twitter page and stuff, we're constantly commenting on people's games and being like, oh, we want to see more. 01:30:06.149 --> 01:30:07.249 We want to see what you can do. 01:30:07.809 --> 01:30:15.609 There's been a number of devs that are just so downtrodden and they're just like, oh, I got a bunch of negative reviews on Steam and people are review bombing. 01:30:15.609 --> 01:30:17.789 And we're just like, don't listen to them. 01:30:17.789 --> 01:30:18.289 It's fine. 01:30:18.289 --> 01:30:19.029 We'll play your game. 01:30:19.029 --> 01:30:21.249 We played it and stuff and we've commented on these things. 01:30:21.249 --> 01:30:24.189 And they're like, we've had DMs where people have reached out to us. 01:30:24.189 --> 01:30:28.409 And me and Dan have just spoke to these people and gone, don't listen to them. 01:30:28.449 --> 01:30:33.769 You know, it's not, it's just people be negative and they just want to crap on people that make anything. 01:30:33.769 --> 01:30:38.369 Like I always say, don't take constructive criticism from people that don't construct things. 01:30:38.369 --> 01:30:41.489 You know, so it's just like, it's that sort of thing. 01:30:41.489 --> 01:30:47.789 So we're all about the positivity and boosting people up because we, me and Dan know how hard it is to create something. 01:30:47.789 --> 01:30:48.629 Like we get it. 01:30:48.629 --> 01:30:54.889 So it's, it's all about like giving them a support system to go like, keep going, keep doing what you're doing. 01:30:54.889 --> 01:30:55.429 It's good. 01:30:55.429 --> 01:30:59.189 You know, it's just, you might not have your audience yet, but just keep pushing it. 01:30:59.189 --> 01:31:09.449 So we're all about that kind of horrifically wholesome thing and all about kind of supporting people because I personally know how powerful encouragement can be. 01:31:09.449 --> 01:31:10.529 People don't get it. 01:31:10.529 --> 01:31:11.729 People don't give it. 01:31:11.729 --> 01:31:14.289 So it's just having someone go, good job. 01:31:14.289 --> 01:31:15.209 You're doing a good job. 01:31:15.509 --> 01:31:20.909 Can push people like beyond the stars, you know, just giving someone that go for it. 01:31:20.909 --> 01:31:22.269 You got this type thing. 01:31:22.269 --> 01:31:23.229 And that's what we try and do. 01:31:23.449 --> 01:31:30.709 We're always just trying to boost people up and just be like, look, you're making things most of the people in the world aren't, go for it. 01:31:30.709 --> 01:31:31.849 You got this sort of thing. 01:31:31.849 --> 01:31:33.629 So it just gives them a little bit of a boost. 01:31:33.629 --> 01:31:37.169 So yeah, we're all about positivity and support as much as we can. 01:31:37.169 --> 01:31:42.569 Literally Maria in a nutshell and why I'm even sitting here right now, because she did that to me. 01:31:42.609 --> 01:31:43.389 Oh, yeah. 01:31:43.389 --> 01:31:45.329 You know, she was like, you got this, you can do it. 01:31:45.449 --> 01:31:47.069 Like, all right, cool. 01:31:47.069 --> 01:31:49.649 That's actually an interesting question. 01:31:49.649 --> 01:31:52.349 Now, AJ asked about the community feedback. 01:31:52.729 --> 01:31:59.049 Now, the question is, what is the feedback of the industry as a whole, the gaming industry? 01:31:59.049 --> 01:32:10.749 Because I know from our early steps with the podcast, companies like Nordic, before they were called THK Nordic, they were like, who are you and what do you want? 01:32:12.469 --> 01:32:31.449 You know, so the beginning is very, very hard from what I learned, because there are tons of YouTubers and influencers and other fan magazines, review home pages and so on. 01:32:32.929 --> 01:32:36.689 So how do you approach that? 01:32:36.689 --> 01:32:51.749 I was going to say, this is actually an interesting topic, because when I was first handed off things, and I kind of got a little bit of like an on-boarding session, and I was told that talking to devs is easy, but getting review keys is hard. 01:32:51.749 --> 01:32:54.729 And we learned really fast that it's not that hard. 01:32:54.729 --> 01:32:57.349 I was going to say, yeah, that's hard for us. 01:32:57.349 --> 01:32:59.089 They were throwing them at us eventually. 01:32:59.089 --> 01:33:00.509 We're like, you need to stop sending us keys. 01:33:00.509 --> 01:33:03.509 Basically, just try to be as human as possible. 01:33:03.509 --> 01:33:12.109 We just try to be as transparent as possible, and just being as friendly as we can, and just saying like, hey, this is what we're doing, and we just want to communicate with you. 01:33:12.109 --> 01:33:16.609 And if you want to help us out to feature your game, cool. 01:33:16.609 --> 01:33:22.889 If not, we're probably going to cover it anyways, because we're not trying to get things for free. 01:33:22.889 --> 01:33:26.729 We're just trying to get easier access if we need to. 01:33:26.729 --> 01:33:31.749 And we're trying to actually push forward on that notion of not relying on review keys. 01:33:31.789 --> 01:33:37.109 But devs are just throwing them at us at this point, because they want us to cover their games, which is fine. 01:33:37.109 --> 01:33:39.829 But also, we want to do better. 01:33:39.829 --> 01:33:53.449 We're trying to work out ways of helping support these developers as much as possible, even to the point where I would ideally buy every game if we can financially afford it, just to support the developers that we're covering. 01:33:53.449 --> 01:33:59.449 That being said, I've had hit or miss when it comes to reaching out to bigger studios, the AAA studios. 01:34:00.329 --> 01:34:06.669 I've been working with in games journalism for a couple of years, and I've been seeing how hard some of them can be. 01:34:08.989 --> 01:34:16.309 Sony specifically is one of the hardest studios and companies to work with when it comes to trying to do review keys and things like that. 01:34:16.309 --> 01:34:20.889 You ask anyone, anyone who works in the gaming journalist space, they'll tell you that. 01:34:20.889 --> 01:34:29.429 Nintendo is a bit tough, but I have had relationships with Nintendo, and I've been pretty decent with most that I've reached out to. 01:34:29.429 --> 01:34:33.709 But then again, a lot of the coverage that we do is smaller teams, smaller games. 01:34:33.709 --> 01:34:42.829 We haven't had a lot going on when it comes to bigger studios and teams, but frankly, we're not concerned about those, you know? 01:34:42.829 --> 01:34:50.989 And it's also a shift that I hope to see in our magazine that we're not relying on timely articles. 01:34:52.289 --> 01:35:00.629 We're a magazine in a space of the digital world of internet, and people can get, you know, people are publishing reviews for games days, weeks or more in advance. 01:35:00.629 --> 01:35:02.309 There's constant leaks. 01:35:02.309 --> 01:35:06.149 You can read anything about a game well before it's available. 01:35:06.149 --> 01:35:09.009 We're never going to compete with that, and we're never going to beat that. 01:35:09.009 --> 01:35:11.009 So I'm not trying to. 01:35:11.009 --> 01:35:17.269 I'm trying to provide people real human experiences. 01:35:18.609 --> 01:35:29.969 And this is something that I'm trying to make sure that like all the writers that we work with are understanding that this isn't about being the first one to the market to cover a brand new game, because it's never going to happen, first of all. 01:35:29.969 --> 01:35:39.769 Second of all, we want to make sure that you're conveying to the reader the real true experience you had with that game, and not just like pandering or not. 01:35:39.769 --> 01:35:47.289 I don't want to read an article in my magazine, in our magazine, A Fearzine, that's the same thing that the YouTuber said three months ago about that game. 01:35:50.429 --> 01:36:04.269 I already told my staff recently, I was pushing this, is if there's a big game that just came out, like let's say Silent Hill 2, or let's say Resident Evil 9 is coming up, and people got approached like, oh my God, Resident Evil 9, Resident Evil 9. 01:36:04.269 --> 01:36:10.289 I don't want anyone to be like, I got to blitz through that game as fast as possible so I can write a review about it. 01:36:10.289 --> 01:36:14.309 I want people to take their time with that, just like I would if I was going to write that review. 01:36:14.309 --> 01:36:19.329 I want to take my time enjoying that game and not feeling pressured and not feeling rushed. 01:36:19.329 --> 01:36:34.589 And then I can craft a review or an article or something around that experience that I felt as a gamer and a fan that is me and my voice and my personal passion for the genre. 01:36:34.589 --> 01:36:43.209 And it's not about being the first one out there to tell everyone, this game is great, this game is great, because everyone's going to know that game is great by the time I get it out there. 01:36:43.209 --> 01:36:44.889 Or the game is okay, whatever. 01:36:45.009 --> 01:36:50.789 But maybe the game is not great, but I loved it and I want to tell people that I loved it and why I loved it. 01:36:50.789 --> 01:37:07.649 That's even better, honestly, to me, because I think that some of the best pieces is when someone feels differently about something and they can explain very well why it's better to them or why other people are maybe being too harsh on something or should look closer at something. 01:37:07.649 --> 01:37:18.109 Because in this day and age with instant gratification and influencers and YouTube and Twitch and TikTok, everyone is making snap judgments immediately. 01:37:18.109 --> 01:37:20.389 This is also why we don't do review scores. 01:37:20.389 --> 01:37:26.609 Our reviews, our final paragraphs, our final paragraphs are the summary of what we think about a game. 01:37:26.609 --> 01:37:29.269 There's no score, there's no number, there's no letter. 01:37:29.269 --> 01:37:36.649 You have to, as a reader, decipher how we felt about the game based on the words that we use. 01:37:36.649 --> 01:37:41.969 Because I don't want anyone going for that instant gratification of, it's a nine, cool, it's a ten, cool, this game's a seven. 01:37:42.069 --> 01:37:44.209 I'm never playing it because it's a seven. 01:37:44.209 --> 01:37:45.809 But how do you know? 01:37:45.809 --> 01:37:48.469 Why are you passing on a seven because it's a seven? 01:37:48.469 --> 01:37:55.089 What if there's something in that seven game that you love, and that game for you is better than a seven? 01:37:55.089 --> 01:37:57.369 You'll never know because you just. 01:37:58.429 --> 01:37:59.689 That's usually what we'll do. 01:38:00.129 --> 01:38:09.649 We have a conclusion paragraph like Dan was just saying, and I usually, like most of our writers will go, if you're a fan of Resident Evil, this one might be for you. 01:38:09.649 --> 01:38:12.829 If you're a fan of point and click adventures, this one might be for you. 01:38:12.829 --> 01:38:19.469 But it's not a, well, this is a nine, so everyone's going to love it because some people just don't like those kinds of games. 01:38:19.469 --> 01:38:23.309 And so when we review games as well, like we'll go for, we'll play the demo. 01:38:23.309 --> 01:38:27.469 And if we don't, if it's not a game that vibes with us, we're not going to review it. 01:38:27.709 --> 01:38:29.529 I'll give it to one of our other writers to review. 01:38:29.529 --> 01:38:31.749 Like I'm not going to review a JRPG. 01:38:31.749 --> 01:38:33.269 They're just not my kind of games. 01:38:33.269 --> 01:38:36.669 Dan doesn't like point and click adventures because it's just not his kind. 01:38:36.669 --> 01:38:40.269 So there's no point in him reviewing it because he's going to go, this is boring. 01:38:40.589 --> 01:38:41.389 I hate it. 01:38:41.389 --> 01:38:43.649 And that's not fair. 01:38:43.649 --> 01:38:49.749 I was going to make that point earlier too, that we won't assign a game to a writer who doesn't like that style of game. 01:38:49.749 --> 01:38:51.989 We're just going to hate it. 01:38:51.989 --> 01:38:57.469 So we give them a list and go, these are the games and then they can put their name to go, oh, I'd like to try this one. 01:38:57.469 --> 01:38:58.569 I'd like to try that one. 01:38:58.569 --> 01:39:06.369 We also let our writers be like, if you like a game, if you own a game you want to write about, pitch it, tell us about it or something. 01:39:06.369 --> 01:39:08.929 So we're not going to go, you have to write about this game. 01:39:09.069 --> 01:39:15.289 Because if someone said to me, oh, you need to write about this JRPG, I'd be like, I hate this game. 01:39:15.289 --> 01:39:17.349 I don't want to play it on board. 01:39:17.349 --> 01:39:19.149 It's just no point. 01:39:19.149 --> 01:39:22.469 So that's not fair for the reader to go, well, this game sucks. 01:39:22.469 --> 01:39:24.149 It's like just because I don't like it. 01:39:24.149 --> 01:39:25.869 That's what's not fair about review scores. 01:39:25.869 --> 01:39:28.689 You have one person summarizing it for everyone in the world. 01:39:28.689 --> 01:39:30.129 It doesn't work. 01:39:30.129 --> 01:39:42.389 No matter what, you're always going to have that one reader, or I say the one reader, but there's going to be the fraction of people who, even if a game gets a 10, they're going to be like, oh, this game got a 10, I need to play it, and then they get it and they start playing it. 01:39:42.389 --> 01:39:43.609 They're like, this game sucks. 01:39:43.609 --> 01:39:44.669 I hate everything about it. 01:39:45.169 --> 01:39:47.029 How dare they give it a 10? 01:39:47.029 --> 01:39:49.549 It's like, well, it's not meant for you. 01:39:49.549 --> 01:39:52.169 It's not the type of game that registers with you. 01:39:52.169 --> 01:39:56.969 It's a 10 because that person loved that game, which is fine. 01:39:56.969 --> 01:40:06.949 But you as a player and a consumer, you need to be able to read those reviews and look past the number and go, oh, it has tactics. 01:40:06.949 --> 01:40:08.069 I don't like tactics. 01:40:08.069 --> 01:40:09.749 I'm not going to play that. 01:40:09.749 --> 01:40:16.809 Well, it's also as well, if you make a review score and someone doesn't agree with it, they will then tie your entire reputation. 01:40:16.809 --> 01:40:23.169 They'll go, yeah, but I gave this game a 10 and it's such, so I'm not going to listen to anything else Fearzine says. 01:40:23.229 --> 01:40:25.489 It's like it was just a review score. 01:40:25.529 --> 01:40:36.269 It's like people will do that and go, well, but IGN gave it this and so they're lying or they're paid off or they're being, it's like, no, we're not ever going to take money to review a game or we're not going to be bought out. 01:40:37.349 --> 01:40:38.769 It's our own personal take. 01:40:38.769 --> 01:40:41.209 So yeah, that's the start with review scores and stuff. 01:40:41.209 --> 01:40:44.249 It's just like it doesn't, it's not good. 01:40:47.769 --> 01:40:50.669 What do you think of the general review environment now? 01:40:50.669 --> 01:41:02.669 Because it used to be, long ago, you'd get your magazines and you'd read, and the reviews in there are what you use to decide whether you wanted to buy something or play a game. 01:41:02.829 --> 01:41:07.449 Now you've got, again, on Steam, you've got user reviews right off the bat. 01:41:07.449 --> 01:41:10.069 You can see what people think of the game. 01:41:10.689 --> 01:41:21.869 Do you think that has skewed people's, how they perceive this rather than, like, you know, because obviously, they're not looking just in the magazines and what not for reviews. 01:41:21.869 --> 01:41:26.069 Do you think that's changed like the landscape kind of? 01:41:26.309 --> 01:41:27.989 I don't think it's the landscape or reviews. 01:41:27.989 --> 01:41:29.849 I think it's the readers. 01:41:29.849 --> 01:41:36.249 I think it's instant gratification, nature and sensibilities that people have grounded themselves in. 01:41:36.249 --> 01:41:38.329 Because I've been saying this for ages. 01:41:38.329 --> 01:41:41.569 I think all reviews matter. 01:41:41.569 --> 01:41:44.229 All reviews are helpful, good or bad. 01:41:44.229 --> 01:41:52.949 Because I was going to say, I actually love user reviews because A, a user review might reveal to me something about a game that I love. 01:41:52.949 --> 01:41:57.609 I go, oh, I'm interested in this game now because this person liked it for these reasons. 01:41:57.609 --> 01:42:04.349 But on the flip side, you're going to get the person who is like, this game was amazing and I loved everything about it. 01:42:04.349 --> 01:42:05.469 It was so incredible. 01:42:05.469 --> 01:42:11.709 This was the best game ever, but I'm giving it a one star out of 10 because my Amazon driver kicked my dog. 01:42:11.709 --> 01:42:12.189 It's like, what? 01:42:14.029 --> 01:42:15.809 What does that have to do with it? 01:42:15.809 --> 01:42:33.069 I mean, I literally saw a review score once and someone, review scores can hurt Steam games because if you get too many negative reviews, it can show us what mixed reviews or do not recommend, and that can push down the algorithm for Steam games so they don't get as much seen. 01:42:33.069 --> 01:42:36.129 But then when you read the reviews, there's like what Dan was saying. 01:42:36.129 --> 01:42:43.149 I read a review and it said, the game was great, it was amazing, but it had some stuff in it that kind of triggered me. 01:42:43.229 --> 01:42:47.729 It's like the game was good and it made you feel things, so you don't recommend it. 01:42:47.729 --> 01:42:51.189 It's like maybe you're just sensitive and you need to grow up a little bit. 01:42:51.189 --> 01:42:51.829 Right. 01:42:51.829 --> 01:42:58.569 You know, your review bombing is saying, and they put like a do not recommend, so that affects the overall score of the Steam game. 01:42:58.569 --> 01:43:05.189 Could have been, I actually made me want to play it more because I was like, oh wow, a game that's storyline is so good, it touches on sensitive subjects. 01:43:05.189 --> 01:43:07.429 That's what games should do, that's what art does. 01:43:07.429 --> 01:43:08.509 It makes you feel things. 01:43:08.969 --> 01:43:12.849 But you're going to downgrade a game because it made you feel things. 01:43:12.849 --> 01:43:16.249 It's just, even though you said it was a great game. 01:43:16.249 --> 01:43:24.369 And it's like, so there's a lot of things with review scores that you have to look into them and be like, what is this person trying to say? 01:43:24.369 --> 01:43:25.649 And that's obviously a problem. 01:43:25.649 --> 01:43:31.369 We get things with the console wars that someone will just downgrade a game because it came out on PlayStation rather than Xbox. 01:43:31.369 --> 01:43:36.409 And it's got nothing to do with the game, it's just fanboys going, you don't like PlayStation. 01:43:38.189 --> 01:43:47.689 This is bringing me back to my notion of where I say, I don't think reviews are the problem, it's the readers and their interpretation of them, because I was going to mention review bombing. 01:43:47.689 --> 01:43:57.829 Review bombing, I think is a terrible thing, but it also allows for fans and a user base to incite change. 01:43:57.829 --> 01:44:11.169 I don't want to go too hard on it, but what happened with Helldivers and the whole thing with requiring the PlayStation Network thing for PC players, by review bombing the game, those fans were able to get something changed for the better for that game, which is good. 01:44:11.169 --> 01:44:16.209 On the other hand, you get people review bombing games just because they're petty and it's bad. 01:44:16.269 --> 01:44:17.609 It's like, all right. 01:44:17.609 --> 01:44:24.309 But then this is also where there's a fine line of you need to be able to decipher the differences between these types of scores. 01:44:24.309 --> 01:44:28.609 A lot like Maria said, you see something getting review bombed, and then you're like, well, why? 01:44:29.649 --> 01:44:36.089 This is where you can usually find like a diamond in the rough kind of thing. 01:44:36.929 --> 01:44:39.769 You have to weed through some of that stuff. 01:44:39.769 --> 01:44:42.009 We're not going to be able to do that as a magazine. 01:44:42.389 --> 01:44:49.389 It's just a matter of we're going to try to give you the best, most genuine experience and understanding from the individual. 01:44:49.389 --> 01:44:56.529 This is also the part of the reasoning why I want people to write and put themselves in their words because that's exactly what it is. 01:44:56.629 --> 01:45:00.469 It's a person's opinion, no matter what. 01:45:00.469 --> 01:45:06.629 This is how a single person felt about their time and experience with this thing. 01:45:09.269 --> 01:45:11.989 It's not an end all to everything. 01:45:14.169 --> 01:45:22.689 Gamers, readers, people as a whole need to have a better understanding of how to consume in a responsible way. 01:45:22.689 --> 01:45:28.109 People need to be able to look at these things and make decisions for themselves. 01:45:28.109 --> 01:45:31.309 That's the point of a review score is to help you understand. 01:45:31.309 --> 01:45:41.109 If the review score is high or low, and how you interpret that depends on your point of view, like Elden Ring. 01:45:41.109 --> 01:45:42.069 Here's a good example. 01:45:42.069 --> 01:45:52.029 When Elden Ring came out and it got a bunch of rave reviews, tens out of tens, and then there was this flooding of people running out to buy Elden Ring because it got tens everywhere. 01:45:52.489 --> 01:45:58.349 And then that whole lot of people went screaming to the internet, like, this game sucks. 01:45:58.349 --> 01:45:59.109 It's so hard. 01:45:59.109 --> 01:46:00.049 I hate this. 01:46:00.049 --> 01:46:05.429 And it's like, because you didn't actually read the review, you don't understand what this game is. 01:46:05.429 --> 01:46:07.389 And then they're like, they need to put an easy mode in it. 01:46:07.389 --> 01:46:10.409 It's like, no, they can't do that because that breaks the game. 01:46:10.409 --> 01:46:12.949 It defeats the point of that game. 01:46:12.949 --> 01:46:16.729 That's what makes it great for the people who like those kinds of games. 01:46:16.729 --> 01:46:19.429 I don't want to play the easy mode Elden Ring. 01:46:19.729 --> 01:46:23.389 I want the game that chews me up and spits me out. 01:46:23.389 --> 01:46:28.469 You know, it's just like, Kirby, do you want me to tell you to make an ultra hard mode, Kirby? 01:46:28.469 --> 01:46:30.629 Those games are made easy for a reason. 01:46:30.789 --> 01:46:33.189 They're meant to be that way. 01:46:33.189 --> 01:46:45.369 And that's the thing with our writers as well is that a lot of publications will personally write their article and then the editor will just come in and just chop it up, change it. 01:46:45.369 --> 01:46:47.449 And in the end, it's a completely different article. 01:46:47.489 --> 01:46:50.149 You know, it's like they'll just do it with us. 01:46:50.149 --> 01:46:51.009 We won't do that. 01:46:51.029 --> 01:46:56.549 We will edit the articles to make it grammarily correct and to make it readable. 01:46:56.549 --> 01:46:59.569 But we want the writers to have their own voice. 01:46:59.569 --> 01:47:01.809 We want them to say what they want to say about it. 01:47:01.809 --> 01:47:03.649 We're not going to change anything. 01:47:03.649 --> 01:47:09.989 We'll go for the editing process and we'll make suggestions and go maybe rewrite this section to make it clearer. 01:47:09.989 --> 01:47:11.749 But it's a suggestion. 01:47:11.749 --> 01:47:14.769 And if the writer is like, I don't want to change it. 01:47:14.849 --> 01:47:17.389 It's like, okay, well, you know, that's fine. 01:47:17.389 --> 01:47:20.429 But we're not going to change it for them because we want it to be their voice. 01:47:20.429 --> 01:47:20.869 We're not going to... 01:47:20.869 --> 01:47:24.569 The only thing we'll be hard on is making sure that it's clean readability. 01:47:24.569 --> 01:47:24.709 Yeah. 01:47:24.709 --> 01:47:29.869 Beyond clean readability, we will maintain everything else. 01:47:29.869 --> 01:47:41.329 I wanted to step on something that you mentioned earlier before Ajay asked his question that was there is actually a good example of such a game. 01:47:41.929 --> 01:47:53.849 I think the most famous example I can think of is actually the game Myst which is the first game that was released on the CD as a media. 01:47:53.849 --> 01:48:00.369 I remember that those professional magazines refused. 01:48:00.369 --> 01:48:03.229 They were totally negative with the game. 01:48:04.829 --> 01:48:12.969 But the gamer community in I think it was 1993, yeah, they actually loved the game. 01:48:13.569 --> 01:48:29.929 So a year later, all those magazines, at least here in Germany, they actually were forced to reiterate their previous reviews and raise the score because the game series got so famous. 01:48:29.929 --> 01:48:40.069 I mean, then we got the second part, Riven, The Sequel of Mist, and now they are still doing new games in the series. 01:48:40.289 --> 01:48:47.709 I think about how many games are cult classics nowadays that were hated originally, but people love them now. 01:48:48.029 --> 01:48:50.069 Yeah, people are very, very quick. 01:48:50.069 --> 01:48:52.129 This is why we have retro reviews. 01:48:52.129 --> 01:48:53.289 Yeah. 01:48:53.289 --> 01:49:01.669 I mean, for example, just recently when the Silent Hill 2 remake trailer came out, when it first was revealed, people hated it. 01:49:01.669 --> 01:49:03.589 People were like, what did you do to James? 01:49:03.589 --> 01:49:04.769 What did you do to the combat? 01:49:04.769 --> 01:49:05.649 What did you do to that? 01:49:05.649 --> 01:49:13.849 And then the game was released, the Bloober, they said Bloober doesn't know how to make a game, it's one of the best horror games that's ever been made now. 01:49:14.769 --> 01:49:16.889 It's amazing. 01:49:16.889 --> 01:49:21.549 People were so quick to jump on it and be like, this sucks, what did you do? 01:49:21.549 --> 01:49:23.029 It's just like, give it a chance. 01:49:23.929 --> 01:49:28.249 It's not the full game, it hasn't been released yet, chill. 01:49:28.249 --> 01:49:41.289 So yeah, so it's just like, it is, people take people's reviews with a grain of salt, but it's just like, we want to try and be as honest and as kind of human as possible. 01:49:41.289 --> 01:49:49.329 There are people behind the keyboard making our reviews and we don't want to make it into a... 01:49:50.729 --> 01:49:53.609 like, we don't want to make it look like a machine is reviewing these games. 01:49:53.609 --> 01:49:57.169 These are real people, they're real fans, they want to like these games. 01:49:57.169 --> 01:50:01.789 And so it is, we'll just say, I had fun running around shooting zombies, blowing their heads off. 01:50:01.789 --> 01:50:02.709 It was great. 01:50:02.709 --> 01:50:03.109 There you go. 01:50:03.109 --> 01:50:04.209 That's what I liked about it. 01:50:04.849 --> 01:50:06.129 That's an honest review. 01:50:06.129 --> 01:50:17.049 So there's also the other caveat of our magazine is the simple fact that there are literally thousands of games released on Steam every few weeks, every few months, every year. 01:50:17.949 --> 01:50:24.869 And the horror genre especially is getting incredibly saturated, which is insane. 01:50:24.869 --> 01:50:25.789 It's great for us. 01:50:25.789 --> 01:50:26.989 So we have a lot to do. 01:50:26.989 --> 01:50:30.669 But at the same time, it's like, well, how do you know what to look at? 01:50:30.669 --> 01:50:32.729 How do you know what to pay attention to? 01:50:32.729 --> 01:50:34.789 And that's kind of why we're doing this. 01:50:34.789 --> 01:50:41.709 Like I can literally show this magazine to people and people will flip through the pages and then be like, I've never heard of any of these games before. 01:50:41.729 --> 01:50:49.609 And it's like, perfect, here, read this and look at it and see which ones you like and then go download them or play their demo. 01:50:49.609 --> 01:50:57.829 That's the whole point is we're basically creating a curated list of things for you to take a look at and see what works for you. 01:50:58.849 --> 01:51:03.629 It's a weird, weird time to be in, especially with how many games are coming out nowadays. 01:51:03.629 --> 01:51:09.389 It's just, it's so much, like it's overwhelming for us just to be putting this together and to be trying to create this list. 01:51:09.469 --> 01:51:12.409 And we miss stuff all the time. 01:51:12.409 --> 01:51:13.849 It's nuts. 01:51:13.849 --> 01:51:17.089 Yeah, we basically fill up our list and then we're like, okay, we're going to write these. 01:51:17.089 --> 01:51:21.309 And then it's like, I really wish we could have put this game in there. 01:51:21.309 --> 01:51:26.669 So I actually like, the reason why issue two is a hundred pages is probably partly my fault. 01:51:26.669 --> 01:51:30.329 Because we kept adding and adding and adding and adding games. 01:51:30.329 --> 01:51:33.609 And I was like, let me put this game, and Dan's like, we have to cut it off at some point. 01:51:33.609 --> 01:51:35.769 And I'm like, yeah, but we can just squeeze this last one in. 01:51:35.769 --> 01:51:39.049 Yeah, a hundred pages later, we're like, yeah, maybe we need to cut it back a little bit. 01:51:39.269 --> 01:51:40.269 But that's what happens. 01:51:40.649 --> 01:51:45.049 You want to include everything, because you're just like, oh man, I saw this game, it's great. 01:51:45.049 --> 01:51:48.469 And I saw this game, it's great, because there's so many of them, and we're excited for it. 01:51:49.069 --> 01:51:50.189 We want to cover them. 01:51:50.189 --> 01:51:52.889 And so it is, it's just, what do you choose? 01:51:52.889 --> 01:51:53.669 Where do you pick? 01:51:53.669 --> 01:51:55.429 And like Devs will send us games. 01:51:55.429 --> 01:51:58.009 And we're like, okay, yeah, it's a consideration. 01:51:58.009 --> 01:52:05.089 And we have a pitches channel in our Discord, where we're like, if you see a game, pitch it to us, and we'll look at it and see if it's. 01:52:05.089 --> 01:52:08.429 So we're always keeping a lookout for games, but there's always going to be games. 01:52:08.509 --> 01:52:11.329 We can't cover everything, but we're going to try. 01:52:12.229 --> 01:52:21.049 When we get the training wheels off and when we're in full production mode, we could probably easily do a monthly magazine with 50 plus games every single month. 01:52:21.049 --> 01:52:21.229 Yeah. 01:52:21.229 --> 01:52:23.609 If we had the ability and the power to do it. 01:52:23.609 --> 01:52:25.629 Right. 01:52:25.629 --> 01:52:28.989 If there was more than me and Dan to work on the stuff. 01:52:28.989 --> 01:52:30.189 Yeah. 01:52:30.489 --> 01:52:40.169 A question you mentioned earlier, Dan, that you really don't mind not covering games from big publishers. 01:52:40.829 --> 01:52:51.289 But then I think the more Fearzine will be successful and have a more broader audience because you have more readers and so on. 01:52:51.289 --> 01:53:00.889 Isn't that also a good sign when those AAA studios and publishers want to have their game covered by you? 01:53:02.209 --> 01:53:04.969 Isn't that kind of a milestone to reach? 01:53:04.969 --> 01:53:06.589 Oh yeah, that'd be great. 01:53:06.589 --> 01:53:10.009 I mean, I'm going to prioritize them, but that'd be great. 01:53:10.009 --> 01:53:16.689 I would love to have like Capcom or Konami knocking on our door like, we need you to talk about us like you do. 01:53:16.689 --> 01:53:18.409 Yeah, I mean, we love that. 01:53:18.409 --> 01:53:19.169 Obviously, that's a dream. 01:53:19.349 --> 01:53:20.249 We want to do that. 01:53:20.249 --> 01:53:25.049 We want to cover big games, but we don't want to take the focus away from indie developers. 01:53:25.049 --> 01:53:27.149 We don't want to seem like it sells out. 01:53:27.689 --> 01:53:31.189 We had somebody wrote a review for Silent Hill 2 Remake. 01:53:31.189 --> 01:53:39.889 We have it in issue 2, and it was like, yeah, if we can do the game, we'll do it, but we're not going to overshadow indie developers. 01:53:39.889 --> 01:53:43.849 We're not going to put Silent Hill 2 on the cover because it's the big game. 01:53:43.849 --> 01:53:46.589 It's like, sure, we want to put the game on it. 01:53:46.589 --> 01:53:50.929 The idea of this is to elevate indie developers and get them out. 01:53:50.929 --> 01:53:53.329 We don't want to be like, well, screw you guys. 01:53:53.329 --> 01:53:56.829 A bigger game came along and pushed you out, because that's what's happening in an industry anyway. 01:53:57.129 --> 01:53:59.829 They're being overshadowed by AAA games. 01:54:01.669 --> 01:54:06.409 This project is about elevating indie developers and helping them get up. 01:54:06.949 --> 01:54:09.749 They're going to share pages with Silent Hill 2 Remake. 01:54:09.749 --> 01:54:12.469 They're going to share space with the bigger AAAs. 01:54:12.469 --> 01:54:15.249 We're not going to push devs out for it. 01:54:15.249 --> 01:54:21.769 I can even go as far as saying there was at one point an internal discussion with us about, what game are we going to feature on the cover? 01:54:22.529 --> 01:54:25.589 One of our writers was saying, why don't we do the thing remastered? 01:54:25.809 --> 01:54:27.609 Because everybody knows the thing remastered. 01:54:27.609 --> 01:54:30.129 That's a big deal in the space. 01:54:30.129 --> 01:54:33.029 People know this game, people know Night Dive. 01:54:33.029 --> 01:54:38.749 I don't want to put a well-known game on the cover because everybody already knows it. 01:54:38.749 --> 01:54:40.389 What's the point of that? 01:54:40.389 --> 01:54:42.769 Also as well, if you want to highlight other things. 01:54:42.769 --> 01:54:48.909 If you've got a big game like Silent Hill or something like that, people are not going to come to us for Silent Hill. 01:54:48.909 --> 01:54:52.569 They're going to go to IGN, they're going to go to the big magazines, they're going to go to PlayStation magazine. 01:54:52.569 --> 01:54:53.929 They're going to go to their YouTubers. 01:54:54.449 --> 01:54:58.889 But if somebody wants Indie developers, Indie games, they're going to come to us. 01:54:58.889 --> 01:55:02.089 So it's like, yeah, we'll feature them, but we don't treat them any more special. 01:55:02.089 --> 01:55:04.169 They're not a special guest, they're not a celebrity to us. 01:55:04.169 --> 01:55:06.049 We're like, oh yeah, Silent Hill 2. 01:55:06.049 --> 01:55:09.149 It's like, yeah, it's cool, but it doesn't prioritize for us. 01:55:09.149 --> 01:55:15.369 We're not going to go, get lost Indie devs because the big boys are here now. 01:55:15.429 --> 01:55:27.009 True, no, no, I wasn't about to say that, that you have to shift the focus on the AAA. 01:55:27.009 --> 01:56:04.269 But if I learned something in the recent years that even Indie studios can make a successor to a big IP, I mean, just an example that I often put down is, for example, Robocop Roach City, which was done by a double A studio, not a triple A studio, but it's still considered one of the best Robocop franchise games ever, despite not be done by a big studio. 01:56:05.589 --> 01:56:07.669 That's more and more common nowadays. 01:56:07.729 --> 01:56:08.209 Right. 01:56:08.209 --> 01:56:18.409 Despite with Nacron, of course, they have a big publisher, but still the developer studio is a small one. 01:56:20.089 --> 01:56:25.889 So it's also sometimes how you tackle a big IP. 01:56:25.889 --> 01:56:32.369 You could say the same thing about Ninja Theory when they did DMC, because Ninja Theory has never been a big studio. 01:56:32.369 --> 01:56:42.949 They've done some big games, but they also did things like DMC, which was a Capcom property that they were given the task of making a new game within the series. 01:56:42.949 --> 01:56:44.469 I personally love that game. 01:56:44.929 --> 01:56:46.649 I think they crushed it. 01:56:46.649 --> 01:56:47.909 There's disagreement of that. 01:56:47.909 --> 01:56:50.829 I'm sure I'm going to get people like, oh, that's the worst. 01:56:50.829 --> 01:56:52.369 There's so many things to love about that game. 01:56:52.369 --> 01:56:58.489 I could defend it forever, but I think it stands against all the other Devil May Cry games. 01:56:59.129 --> 01:57:15.509 But what you're saying, though, I think that's a common thing, that you see these bigger franchises end up outsourcing to smaller teams because they see these smaller teams doing things that other bigger teams either won't or can't, because they're able to take bigger risks. 01:57:15.509 --> 01:57:17.849 That's the beauty of the indie scene, too. 01:57:20.309 --> 01:57:32.229 You have such examples where a big publisher is teaming up with a smaller indie studio and giving them the big IP to continue. 01:57:32.229 --> 01:57:36.209 So that's quite interesting there. 01:57:36.209 --> 01:57:40.769 So perhaps let's talk a bit about the future perspective. 01:57:41.469 --> 01:57:42.329 What's next? 01:57:42.329 --> 01:57:43.689 What's the next plan? 01:57:43.689 --> 01:57:54.369 I mean, what you said so far is you want to be not reliant on Kickstarter backing exclusive for the future. 01:57:55.429 --> 01:58:06.829 You said you want to not have staff that isn't paid and want to pay more the more successful the magazine is. 01:58:06.829 --> 01:58:11.729 So what are other plans apart from those two that you mentioned? 01:58:11.729 --> 01:58:16.389 Just to be clear, everyone that's worked on the magazine has been or will be paid. 01:58:16.389 --> 01:58:21.789 There's never been a part where anyone doesn't get paid except for me, because I'm trying to make sure that everybody else is getting paid. 01:58:22.689 --> 01:58:33.649 That's not to say that I haven't taken some like, oh, I need equipment or I need to like expend certain things for the business to help making sure that we're able to do the things we need to do and get the magazine out there. 01:58:33.649 --> 01:58:38.869 But we definitely have some stuff that we're working on, things that we're talking about, ways to grow and expand. 01:58:40.309 --> 01:58:46.049 Right now, our main focus is continuing to push the magazine and get the magazine really nailed down. 01:58:46.049 --> 01:58:49.809 Once we have things really stable there, we're working on other things. 01:58:49.809 --> 01:58:53.829 Obviously, like I mentioned, the podcast, so I'm going to be launching that podcast soon. 01:58:53.829 --> 01:59:00.089 That's going to be another way for us to try to expand our reach a little bit and hopefully bring in some more readers, etc. 01:59:01.369 --> 01:59:04.469 We're looking at and considering partnerships with other folks. 01:59:04.469 --> 01:59:10.429 Like we've been talking to the Horror Game Awards, which we want to collaborate with because we don't want to compete with them. 01:59:10.429 --> 01:59:13.309 We want to work with them because they're in the same boat as us. 01:59:13.309 --> 01:59:15.129 They're doing much the same thing. 01:59:15.489 --> 01:59:20.229 We've already had great conversations with them and talked about ways for us to collaborate. 01:59:20.229 --> 01:59:22.389 And we've talked to content creators. 01:59:22.389 --> 01:59:25.289 We have a content creator spotlight in our magazine. 01:59:25.289 --> 01:59:35.949 So we're trying to have this notion of supporting small content creators that make content around horror games, whether they're YouTubers, Twitch streamers, etc. 01:59:35.949 --> 01:59:46.769 And help them and help us, you know, kind of continue to build that community of the horrifically wholesome, everyone like helping each other and being supportive, getting the developers working together. 01:59:47.249 --> 01:59:53.869 We've talked about doing game jams, expanding the way that developers work and talk with each other. 01:59:53.869 --> 01:59:59.489 And of course, one of the other things that we're looking at is expanding beyond the magazine. 01:59:59.489 --> 02:00:01.469 But right now, the magazine is the primary focus. 02:00:01.469 --> 02:00:03.029 We do have a website. 02:00:03.029 --> 02:00:04.929 The website is very limited right now. 02:00:04.929 --> 02:00:07.209 The website does feature issue one. 02:00:07.209 --> 02:00:11.929 So if you're listening to this, you can see and read all of issue one for free on our website. 02:00:11.929 --> 02:00:19.209 Issue one will always be free on the website, but it also will no longer be available in print after this point. 02:00:19.209 --> 02:00:25.629 Issue one is being retired because of the new direction that we're taking everything. 02:00:25.629 --> 02:00:28.689 If you look at issue one and issue two side by side, you'll see what I'm talking about. 02:00:28.689 --> 02:00:31.409 It's leaps and bounds different from one another. 02:00:31.409 --> 02:00:38.929 We're going to continue to grow and build on what we're doing with issue two and evolve the magazine as we grow. 02:00:40.009 --> 02:00:55.189 Again, once we've settled with the magazine, that's where we're going to start trying to stretch out into other avenues and look at other forms of content that we can provide and or magazine projects. 02:00:55.189 --> 02:00:57.329 I don't want to give away too much. 02:00:57.329 --> 02:01:02.389 We're talking about some other possible magazine projects, etc. 02:01:02.429 --> 02:01:34.309 Yeah, and it's also like we were thinking about doing a Scream team, where we'll have possibly streamers streaming on our behalf, and we can get exclusives for, devs can go give us their keys and we can do a world exclusive, or one of the Fearzine team is going to be streaming this game, like thinking with the devs can come in the chat, and there's a lot of avenues that we can go where it's just little ways to be like, how else can we promote the community? 02:01:34.309 --> 02:01:42.929 Because the magazine keeps the lights on, it's the only revenue we have, and so we're going to push that obviously because that's the only way we can get any money. 02:01:42.929 --> 02:01:54.029 But it's also we're looking at ways where we can include the devs in the magazine, make it more worth their while we're constantly communicating with them and going, how can we make this best for you? 02:01:54.029 --> 02:02:01.549 We want to eventually, it'll be nice to be invited to Comic Cons to go as like press pass or something to do interviews. 02:02:01.649 --> 02:02:14.329 I know sometimes indie devs are at Comic Cons that we can just go there and represent them and be like, hey, we'll just be a presence to go, we're here, we're around and maybe do a panel or something. 02:02:14.329 --> 02:02:15.009 I don't know. 02:02:15.009 --> 02:02:24.949 But there's a lot of avenues, but it's one of those like we have big ideas and we're working at how to try and get there because again, we don't know what we're doing. 02:02:26.349 --> 02:02:29.309 Tackled the magazine now everything else comes next. 02:02:29.309 --> 02:02:33.009 It's like we know we have the ability to do it. 02:02:33.009 --> 02:02:35.969 Me and Dan know we can do this. 02:02:36.009 --> 02:02:40.429 We're workhorses, we don't stop working. 02:02:42.229 --> 02:02:44.529 We have the dedication to pull it off. 02:02:44.529 --> 02:02:45.589 We know we can do it. 02:02:45.589 --> 02:02:48.129 It's just finding the way to get there. 02:02:49.409 --> 02:03:00.329 We have a lot of ideas, and we have ideas to where we go, but as long as we can keep the community behind us, and inspire them, and get their trust to say that we're serious about this. 02:03:00.329 --> 02:03:04.349 This is not just we want your games to get money, and then we don't care about you. 02:03:04.349 --> 02:03:05.769 We want to keep helping you. 02:03:05.769 --> 02:03:07.409 We want to help you grow. 02:03:07.409 --> 02:03:12.149 The bigger we grow, the more connections we get, the more connections our devs get. 02:03:12.149 --> 02:03:16.589 If we know publishers, we can go, hey, there's a dev that has this game. 02:03:16.589 --> 02:03:17.549 Are you interested? 02:03:17.889 --> 02:03:22.649 So it's building a community for them as well as us. 02:03:22.649 --> 02:03:26.129 And so, yeah, we have ideas of places to go. 02:03:26.129 --> 02:03:32.689 Like we don't have a fixed direction, but we're tapping into anything to be like, where could we go with this? 02:03:32.689 --> 02:03:34.129 Sky's the limit type thing. 02:03:34.129 --> 02:03:38.489 And, you know, we are very much of the whole, my beer generation. 02:03:38.489 --> 02:03:40.629 So we're just like, bring it on. 02:03:40.849 --> 02:03:43.049 So where can people go to follow along with what you're doing? 02:03:45.489 --> 02:03:47.369 Hmm, Fearzine Magazine. 02:03:47.369 --> 02:03:49.689 So it's a good start. 02:03:49.689 --> 02:03:51.869 fearzinemagazine.com, I should say. 02:03:51.869 --> 02:03:59.809 The website, like I mentioned, is a little bit bare at the moment, but that's where we're trying to make sure to keep things there for everyone. 02:03:59.809 --> 02:04:10.749 Hopefully, by the time you've listened or watched this episode of this podcast, I will have the digital version of the magazine for issue two available to purchase, which is one of the best ways to support us. 02:04:11.549 --> 02:04:20.929 Sadly, it doesn't get you the physical magazine, but it gives us help, it gives us support, it gives us funding to continue growing and pushing things forward. 02:04:20.929 --> 02:04:24.449 I mean, you're always welcome to download it and print it yourself. 02:04:24.449 --> 02:04:26.969 Yeah. 02:04:27.009 --> 02:04:33.809 Which, you know, we want to sell magazines because it helps us do more and continue to grow. 02:04:33.809 --> 02:04:54.849 I'm trying to work on the best ways to make the magazine available for purchase for the physical magazine, which I'm looking at possibly like pre-orders and wishlisting because even like we mentioned, debug a bit, they have a system where you can order a magazine, but they don't ship it until they hit a certain threshold of volume to print, but they get really high numbers. 02:04:54.929 --> 02:05:01.069 So that's easier for them, whereas we're still quite small and I'm trying to sort out the best way to garnish interest. 02:05:01.069 --> 02:05:12.549 And if I know I can sell 100 magazines, I'll order 100 magazines and then I can provide them and the more that we sell, the bigger and cheaper everything gets. 02:05:12.549 --> 02:05:14.489 So it helps us a lot. 02:05:14.489 --> 02:05:22.269 We do have a Discord that's open that you can get to via our social profiles, whether it's Blue Sky or X slash Twitter. 02:05:22.269 --> 02:05:23.469 We are very active in there. 02:05:23.609 --> 02:05:24.889 It's a growing community. 02:05:24.889 --> 02:05:26.129 Our developers are in there. 02:05:26.129 --> 02:05:29.329 Our fans, our readers, our backers are in there. 02:05:29.329 --> 02:05:34.309 We will launch a Kickstarter again for the next issue of issue three. 02:05:34.309 --> 02:05:36.269 You can still find us on Kickstarter. 02:05:36.269 --> 02:05:41.949 We still have an active page on there where I update it regularly with where we're at with the magazine. 02:05:41.949 --> 02:05:46.309 And then we'll continue to update our Kickstarters as we launch them. 02:05:47.649 --> 02:05:49.709 We're looking into other avenues. 02:05:49.709 --> 02:05:51.229 We're on all social presences. 02:05:51.609 --> 02:05:57.809 We have Facebook, Instagram, Threads, BlueSky, like we're on everything. 02:05:57.809 --> 02:06:02.609 It's just Maria and Maria doing it, so we may not be the most active when it comes to updating those platforms. 02:06:02.609 --> 02:06:08.609 Maria basically mans the X account, I man the BlueSky account and try to post here and there. 02:06:08.609 --> 02:06:15.329 Well, it's also as well that with the accounts, me and Dan are manning them, like these are that you're talking to. 02:06:15.329 --> 02:06:19.589 So people are welcome to reach out to us, send us a message in the Discord. 02:06:19.729 --> 02:06:22.309 If you come in to the Discord, we're in there, you can ping us. 02:06:22.309 --> 02:06:24.629 If you want to chat with us, you can chat with us. 02:06:24.629 --> 02:06:26.249 We're open to the video calls. 02:06:26.989 --> 02:06:28.929 We're not hidden behind a wall. 02:06:29.369 --> 02:06:35.649 If you want to talk to us, you can talk to us and it's not a, oh, well, you need to book an appointment to talk to the CEOs. 02:06:35.649 --> 02:06:39.089 It's like, well, if we have time, you can talk to us. 02:06:39.209 --> 02:06:40.969 It is us that you're talking to. 02:06:40.969 --> 02:06:44.429 So if you're DMing us and you have a conversation, it's us. 02:06:44.429 --> 02:06:45.889 We're the leaders, we're the heads. 02:06:45.889 --> 02:06:51.409 We've always wanted to do that, make it very transparent to say, you can talk to us. 02:06:52.309 --> 02:06:53.269 We're not hidden. 02:06:53.269 --> 02:06:55.449 So we are who we are. 02:06:55.449 --> 02:07:01.529 And if you have any questions, concerns about like, oh, we don't think these people are honest, talk to us. 02:07:01.529 --> 02:07:02.309 We'll tell you. 02:07:02.829 --> 02:07:04.109 We'll play your games, we'll do it. 02:07:04.109 --> 02:07:05.989 So we've always maintained that. 02:07:05.989 --> 02:07:07.369 We are reachable. 02:07:09.729 --> 02:07:19.589 I also add that on our website, there is a contact form that you can fill out, and it's a simple fill in your name and email address and why you want to get in touch with us. 02:07:19.589 --> 02:07:25.409 Those emails come directly to me, and I try my best to get to them and respond in a timely fashion. 02:07:25.409 --> 02:07:28.929 You can always reach out to us at contact at fearzinemagazine.com. 02:07:30.249 --> 02:07:33.889 That's where we're trying to do all of our official communication. 02:07:33.889 --> 02:07:43.969 So if you're a writer, a developer, someone who's interested in the project, someone who's interested in supporting us, even if you're like, I really want a magazine, but I missed the Kickstarter. 02:07:44.109 --> 02:07:45.229 Can I still get one? 02:07:45.229 --> 02:07:48.329 We can try to figure something out. 02:07:48.609 --> 02:07:54.889 We're always open to solutions and helping people in any way that we can. 02:07:54.889 --> 02:07:57.269 That was actually a question I had. 02:07:57.269 --> 02:08:06.069 You mentioned earlier that once the physical magazines are printed, they are gone. 02:08:06.069 --> 02:08:17.809 But also, I wondered because in the Kickstarter for the second issue, you actually made it possible to get the first issue also reprinted. 02:08:17.809 --> 02:08:27.989 Are you trying to do that also for the third issue and the issues coming, that you actually can order back issues as printed? 02:08:29.509 --> 02:08:31.549 Ideally, we won't have to. 02:08:31.549 --> 02:08:38.009 Ideally, the whole notion is that we're going to make the magazines available to purchase regularly without Kickstarter. 02:08:38.009 --> 02:08:40.369 This is again, like I said, we've talked about getting off of Kickstarter. 02:08:41.049 --> 02:08:52.689 Hopefully, in the coming months, I will figure out the best way to provide the magazine so that you can go to our website, you can click a button, you make a payment, and then we ship you a magazine. 02:08:52.689 --> 02:08:56.649 Once that's available, we won't have to do those catch-up bundles anymore. 02:08:56.649 --> 02:09:01.349 You can just go to the website and order a back copy of the magazine. 02:09:01.349 --> 02:09:05.629 The only magazine that's not going to be available going forward is Issue 1. 02:09:06.449 --> 02:09:09.709 But that will be the one people are the most sought after. 02:09:09.709 --> 02:09:11.149 That will be the collectible one. 02:09:11.149 --> 02:09:12.489 Perfect. 02:09:12.489 --> 02:09:15.089 Then it will be worth money, and I have them all. 02:09:16.449 --> 02:09:19.109 Because that's actually how things are. 02:09:19.109 --> 02:09:24.649 As HJ said, people want to know how it all started, you know? 02:09:24.649 --> 02:09:27.349 But you can download it for free on the website. 02:09:27.349 --> 02:09:28.269 People can read it. 02:09:28.269 --> 02:09:29.009 It's for free. 02:09:29.009 --> 02:09:30.629 You just won't have the physical copy. 02:09:30.629 --> 02:09:34.949 And the reason why that is is because it's just a lot of money to print. 02:09:34.949 --> 02:09:43.869 And so if we do backholders and there's only like 10 issues, it's a lot of money to print just 10 issues for a backholder thing. 02:09:43.869 --> 02:09:46.509 So it's like if there was a demand for it, we would do it. 02:09:46.509 --> 02:09:57.089 And what we were thinking about doing is maybe way down the road, is remaking issue one and then releasing it as kind of like a collector's edition thing, like a catch-up one. 02:09:57.089 --> 02:10:07.849 But it's just not viable right now for us to warrant doing limited release thing is because it just, it costs too much money for us to print like 10 copies. 02:10:07.989 --> 02:10:19.329 And there's also justifying the amount that we're asking people to pay on Kickstarter because if I'm, like I did it with issue two for the catch-up bundle, we had a base catch-up bundle. 02:10:19.329 --> 02:10:20.609 It's just issue one, issue two. 02:10:20.609 --> 02:10:23.869 I think we were charging $30 for plus shipping. 02:10:23.869 --> 02:10:28.009 That's like us completely breaking even on the cost to print those. 02:10:28.989 --> 02:10:34.229 It's like Maria was saying, it's not very viable for us to do that, especially at the low volumes that we're at. 02:10:34.229 --> 02:10:46.189 If we were to get a crazy uptick in sales that we were hitting thousands of copies, it makes it a lot more justifiable for us to have those expenses. 02:10:46.189 --> 02:10:50.969 But either way, issue one is going to be retired for other reasons beyond that. 02:10:51.289 --> 02:11:02.369 We mentioned the idea of remaking or remastering issue one, where we would basically redo the entire magazine from the ground up in our new style and form. 02:11:04.149 --> 02:11:07.329 Oh, we lost the Dan. 02:11:07.329 --> 02:11:10.569 The content would stay, I guess. 02:11:10.829 --> 02:11:12.949 For the most part. 02:11:12.989 --> 02:11:16.849 There's some things in the issue, ones that need to be fixed, but yeah. 02:11:19.309 --> 02:11:22.429 OK, he's back with his voice, at least. 02:11:22.429 --> 02:11:23.309 Yes. 02:11:23.309 --> 02:11:24.749 Yeah. 02:11:24.809 --> 02:11:27.109 But yeah, actually, you went. 02:11:27.909 --> 02:11:29.769 Yeah, you froze up. 02:11:29.769 --> 02:11:33.409 Yeah, you froze up and you disappeared totally for a few seconds. 02:11:33.409 --> 02:11:35.489 Oh, you guys all disappeared for me. 02:11:36.669 --> 02:11:48.009 Yeah, before Issue 2 was released, we actually did a call out to say, if you want to get Issue 1, sign up, put your name down, and we can order. 02:11:48.009 --> 02:11:58.729 We wanted a minimum of 25 copies, but we didn't make that number, so we never actually went ahead and ordered them, because it needed to be at least 25 for us to warrant print in them. 02:11:58.729 --> 02:12:04.729 And it wasn't about profit, it was about like, we need to be able to print this without us being out of pocket. 02:12:04.729 --> 02:12:05.589 Out of pocket. 02:12:05.809 --> 02:12:07.809 Yeah, we don't want to lose money. 02:12:07.809 --> 02:12:19.229 I said I wanted at least 25 people to say that they would purchase this, and when I did the sign up sheets, I did an interest gauge, like I did polls and I was asking people who did this. 02:12:19.229 --> 02:12:22.049 I had a minimum of 30 people say, yeah, I'd want to get this. 02:12:22.469 --> 02:12:28.889 So then when I created the option, only I think seven people actually signed up and paid for it. 02:12:28.889 --> 02:12:30.849 So I ended up having to refund a bunch of people money. 02:12:30.849 --> 02:12:32.729 So I'm like, I'm not doing this. 02:12:32.729 --> 02:12:33.829 And that cost me money. 02:12:33.829 --> 02:12:36.329 I had to pay out of pocket to do those refunds. 02:12:37.549 --> 02:12:44.889 Well, hopefully it was better with the Kickstarter because I also ordered the double bundle. 02:12:44.889 --> 02:12:46.369 Yeah. 02:12:46.369 --> 02:12:50.789 And that should be on its way to you in the next few weeks, my friend. 02:12:50.829 --> 02:12:51.169 Awesome. 02:12:51.169 --> 02:12:51.809 Awesome. 02:12:51.809 --> 02:12:52.009 Yeah. 02:12:52.009 --> 02:12:54.669 We will put links to everything in the podcast description down below. 02:12:54.669 --> 02:12:56.849 Awesome. 02:12:56.849 --> 02:12:57.449 Thanks a lot. 02:12:57.449 --> 02:12:58.749 Thanks for taking the time. 02:12:58.749 --> 02:12:59.509 Yes. 02:12:59.569 --> 02:13:00.009 Absolutely. 02:13:00.049 --> 02:13:00.769 You're welcome. 02:13:00.769 --> 02:13:02.469 Thank you for having us. 02:13:02.469 --> 02:13:03.409 You're welcome. 02:13:03.409 --> 02:13:04.949 And keep in touch. 02:13:04.949 --> 02:13:07.489 Talk to you then, right? 02:13:07.489 --> 02:13:08.309 Have a good one. 02:13:08.309 --> 02:13:08.649 Bye-bye.